ELEISON COMMENTS JULY 21 RESISTANCE UNDERMINED

[Dawn Marie]

RESISTANCE UNDERMINED

 

 

The good news from the General Chapter of the Society of St Pius X which closed on Saturday is that the SSPX, led to the brink of suicide, has been given a reprieve by the Chapter. However, if the following words, spoken in an interview broadcast worldwide, are any indication of the mind of the leaders still in place for another six years, prayers must still go up for the reprieve to last. Here are the words (which may or may not still be accessible on the Internet -- see Catholic News Service):--

“Many people have an understanding of the Council (Vatican II) which is a wrong understanding, and now we have people in Rome who say it. We may say, in the Discussions (between Rome and the Society of St Pius X, from 2009 to 2011), I think, we see that many things which we (in the SSPX) would have condemned as coming from the Council are in fact not from the Council, but from the common understanding of it.”

To comment, we must go back to Vatican II. Containing both truth and error, its 16 documents are profoundly ambiguous and contradictory. Following Archbishop Lefebvre, the SSPX has never said that the documents contain no truth, but it has always accused them of containing serious errors, for instance the doctrine that the State has no right to repress non-Catholic religions. Conciliar Rome has always defended the documents, for instance by referring to the opposite truths contained in them, such as that every man must in matters religious find out and profess the truth. But the truths have never been the problem. The problem is the error and the contradiction. For instance, if a mass of individuals, such as the State, may be neutral in religion, why should the single individual not be ? The contradiction opens the door wide to the liberation of man from God - liberalism.

The Doctrinal Discussions of 2009 to 2011 were set up to examine the doctrinal clash between the Romans’ Conciliar subjectivism and the SSPX’s Catholic objectivism. They showed, of course, that the clash is profound and irreconcilable, not between Conciliar truth and Catholic truth, but between Conciliar error and Catholic truth, in effect between the religion of man and the religion of God.

Now comes the speaker to state that the “people in Rome” are right, and that “we” are wrong, i.e. the SSPX, because “many things” the SSPX has constantly condemned as coming from the Council come only from a “common understanding” of the Council. In other words, the Archbishop and his Society were wrong from the beginning to accuse the Council, and accordingly to resist Conciliar Rome. It follows that the episcopal consecrations of 1988 must have been an unnecessary decision, because Conciliar bishops could have been trusted to look after Catholic Tradition. Yet the Archbishop called those consecrations “Operation Survival”, and he called trusting Conciliar Rome “Operation Suicide”.

Today the speaker - consistently with his words quoted above - is certainly favouring a Rome-SSPX agreement. Moreover he is quoted as suggesting in Austria two months ago that this agreement would entrust Conciliar Rome with choosing the SSPX’s future bishops. Then unless Rome has stopped being Conciliar since the Archbishop’s day, and all the evidence cries out against such an illusion, the Archbishop would have said that the speaker was promoting “Operation Suicide” of the SSPX - unless the speaker has since disowned these words.

Kyrie eleison.

[Copacabana]

 

Indeed, Rome has not stopped being Conciliar since the Archbishop’s day and certainly, all the evidence cries out stridently. For instance, Archbishop Muller has pointed out on the 20^th of July this year that the Second Vatican as mandatory for a possible agreement with the SSPX. Some statements of the Council are seen as dogmatic. This article is at:

 http://www.kath.net/detail.php?id=37448 and it could be translated from German to English.

[Copacabana]

Andrea Tornielli in his article: “Lefebvrians say they can only accept doctrinal preamble on three “conditions”” published in the Vatican Insider this last Monday highlights Archbishop Muller ‘s assertions: “ “The Second Vatican Council is binding,” said the new Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Gerhard Müller in an interview. “The declaration on relations with the media we can talk about, but the statements on Jews, freedom of religion and human rights have dogmatic implications. If these are rejected they jeopardise the Catholic faith.”" 

 

[Copacabana]

Resistance undermined! Demonstrably, His Lordship Bp. Williamson is right.  The Catholic resistance has been subverted; on the other hand there are too many casualties after this long battle.  Now, it seems that His Lordship Bp. Tissier de Mallerais and His Lordship Bp. Alfonso de Galarreta have been reassigned to Chicago and Geneva, respectively.  What else?

 …Watch and pray!

 

[Copacabana]

Benedict XVI on The importance of Vatican II

The Church's mandate to preach the truth and justice even against the powerful

The documents of the Second Vatican Council contain an enormous wealth for the formation of the new generations of Christians. At Frascati, on Sunday, 15 July, during his 30th Pastoral Visit in Italy, Benedict XVI returned to reaffirm the importance of that great period which the Christian community is about to live beginning next October, 50 years from the ecumenical meeting which  will inaugurate the Year of the Faith and the Synod of Bishops on the New Evangelization.

The Homily given by the Pope during the Mass celebrated in the town of Frascati was rich in content. He recalled the responsibility of those who Jesus calls directly to help in his mission, stating that they must not seek a favourable welcome nor be attached to money, if rejected they must continue preaching whatever God says “and not what men wished to hear”. The Church, he added, does not “preach what the powerful wish to hear”; she does not seek applause or human power. Her only criteria is “truth and justice”. He continued by saying that the apostolic mission must always include “preaching God’s word and of expressing his goodness in gestures of charity, service and dedication”.  This is very important for the formation of Christians, especially young people. It is not by chance that Benedict XVI before leading the Angelus at Castel Gandolfo proposed again the historic vision of St Bonaventure of Bagnoregio and the life style of St Francis of Assisi, stressing that the work of Christ and the Church always moves forward.

 

July 17, 2012

[tags: Benedict XVI | Apostolic Visits]

 

[Cathleen]

Somehow I think St. Bonaventure and especially St. Francis would have something very different to say about all of this nonsense...  :-p

[Copacabana]

Cathleen, I agree completely, these two Saints would have someting utterly different to say...!