Bishop Fellay: The SSPX Will Not Accept the Second Vatican Council

[Dawn Marie]

Bishop Fellay: The SSPX Will Not Recognize the Second Vatican Council

Edit: things are coming along. It should be obvious to most observers that the SSPX has been far more obedient to the Holy Father than most of the German Bishops.

There was a similar report on kathnet, but it seems to have disappeared.

Deutsche Bischöfe üben Druck auf den Papst aus: The German Bishops are Pressuring the Pope


France. The Society of St. Pius X will not recognize the Second Vatican Council. Bishop Bernard Fellay said this at a brief address in the Northwest French city of Saint-Malo. Msgr Fellay insists that the Faith would not be set in play. The Bishop criticized namely, Archbishop Robert Zollitsch of Freiburg and Bishop Gerhard Ludwig Müller of Regensburg. Both are said to have intrigued against the Priestly ordinations of the Society. Cardinal Dario Castrillon Hoyos is supposed to have said by telephone, that the Society can have permission for the ordinations, if they ask for them. In another telephone conversation Cardinal Castrillon said that the German Bishops are putting pressure on the Pope.

http://eponymousflower.blogspot.com/2011/0...-recognize.html

Link to kreuz, blurb...

[Dawn Marie]

The head of the traditionalist Society of St. Pius X (SSPX) has indicated that the group will not accept a Vatican requirement that they accept the authority of Vatican II teachings.

Bishop Bernard Fellay—who has been called to Rome for meetings to discuss the results of a series of meetings between Vatican and SSPX theologians—assured supporters: “If their aim is still to force us to accept the second Vatican Council, the discussions have been clear enough in showing that we have no intention of doing any such thing.”

 

http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=11679

[Dawn Marie]

Berengaria found these quotes of the good Archbishop regarding discussions with Rome.  Very interesting to say the least.  We shall see soon enough if his experience with them still holds true today. 

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QUOTE (Archbishop Lefebvre interview with Fideliter Magazine)

We indeed had a little hope that something had changed in the Vatican; ... I had hoped that things would develop in Rome. But, then, when we found out their deeper intentions in the meetings, the discussions on the Protocol, and the Protocol itself, I realized that nothing had changed. We were faced with a brick wall. They had hoped to put an end to Tradition. This is, indeed, the position of Rome, of the Pope, of Cardinal Ratzinger, of Cardinal Mayer, of Cardinal Casaroli....All these people hold desperately to the Council, to this “new Pentecost,” to the reform of the Church. They do not want to depart from it. Cardinal Ratzinger said it openly in an interview to the great Frankfurt newspaper, Die Welt, about the consecrations: “It is inadmissible, one cannot accept that there be in the Church groups of Catholics who do not follow the general way of thinking of the bishops in the world.” Here you have it; it is clear! For a while I thought something had changed in him, but I have to acknowledge that all he did was with the intention to suppress the group that we were forming and to bring us back to the Council. It would be a mistake to impute only to Cardinal Decourtray and to the French Bishops this will; it is the position of Rome. The only difference is that the Vatican has more facilities to grant things to attract the traditionalists and, then later, destroy them and bring them back to the Council. It is just a question of Roman diplomacy.

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QUOTE (Archbishop Lefebvre interview with Fideliter Magazine)

Interviewer: Cardinal Oddi recently declared, “I’m convinced that the division shall not last long, and that Archbishop Lefebvre shall soon be back in the Church of Rome.” Others say that the Pope and Cardinal Ratzinger feel that the “Lefebvre affair” is not closed. In your last letter to the Holy Father142 you declared that you were waiting for a more propitious time for the return of Rome to Tradition. What do you think of a possible re-opening of the dialogue with Rome? Archbishop Lefebvre: We do not have the same outlook on a reconciliation. Cardinal Ratzinger sees it as reducing us, bringing us back to Vatican II. We see it as a return of Rome to Tradition. We don’t agree; it is a dialogue of death. I can’t speak much of the future, mine is behind me, but if I live a little while, supposing that Rome calls for a renewed dialogue, then, I will put conditions. I shall not accept being in the position where I was put during the dialogue. No more. I will place the discussion at the doctrinal level: “Do you agree with the great encyclicals of all the popes who preceded you? Do you agree with Quanta Cura of Pius IX, Immortale Dei and Libertas of Leo XIII, Pascendi Gregis of Pius X, Quas Primas of Pius XI, Humani Generis of Pius XII? Are you in full communion with these Popes and their teachings? Do you still accept the entire Anti-Modernist Oath? Are you in favor of the social reign of Our Lord Jesus Christ? If you do not accept the doctrine of your predecessors, it is useless to talk! As long as you do not accept the correction of the Council, in consideration of the doctrine of these Popes, your predecessors, no dialogue is possible. It is useless.” Thus, the positions will be clear. The stakes are not small.

 

[John-mary chijioke mbah]

The 'church' shall only return to the church.

By the rate things are going i've started estimating how many millions of people would be in the church in 50 years' time.

[Dawn Marie]

I wondered if anyone was considering fasting today and or tomorrow?  This seems one of those times most fitting of the words of Our Lord---fast and pray.