In response to a conference given by His Lordship Bishop Bernard Fellay August 18th 2012
In response to a conference given by his Lordship Bishop Bernard Fellay August 18th 2012 in Australia where His Excellency stated that "After the Pope consecrates Russia, nothing will happen" (meaning nothing miraculous, nothing but... maybe somethings slowly over many years)
With all respect due to you my lord, the history of the Church would disagree.
Below are some of the miraculous victories brought about by the recitation of the Most Holy Rosary.
The miracles which were wrought did not in fact happen "gradually" nor did they take place over a long period of time.
The Most Holy Virgin Mary Mother of God answered with such a rapidness to those who prayed her rosary asking her help in the dire times they found themselves, so as to make no mistake that it was indeed undeniably she who was answering.
What happens when souls unite in prayer with the weapon of the Holy Rosary?
Here are just some instances:
VICTORY GRANTED BY OUR LADY
MURET 1213
But the Rosary was not only a new and beautiful custom honoring our Lady by the repetition of the angelic salutation. From St. Dominic's time, the Rosary appeared as a weapon against the Church's enemies.
An historical document shows St. Dominic victoriously employing this prayer in a famous battle against heretics. It is about the first victory of the Rosary, gained at Muret, near Toulouse, on the 12th of September in 1213 by St. Dominic.
Eight hundred Catholic knights, summoned by Pope Innocent III, found themselves confronted by roughly 34,000 enemy troops (the Cathars were reinforced by troops from Spain led by Peter II of Aragon). Dominic with the clergy and the people entered the church at Muret, and he made them pray one Rosary after the other. Five months after the event, a notary of Languedoc wrote:
Dominicus afferre
Dum incipit tarn humilis
Dominicus coronas confene
Statim apparet agilis.
The notary observes the humility of Dominic, who does not hesitate to pray the Rosary (a very humble prayer, a prayer of the people); and he remarks his agility at completing the crowns, that is to say, offering them one after the other.
The victory of the Catholic knights, led by Simon de Montfort was brilliant and miraculous. The chronicles relate that the enemies of religion fell upon each other as the trees of a forest under the axes of an army of lumberjacks.
If the crusade of which the Battle of Muret was one of the most glorious episodes restored political peace, it was especially the preaching of the Rosary which converted and definitively pacified the region.
Manila 1646
Sculpted by a non-Catholic Chinese artist who was later converted through the intercession of the Blessed Mother, the image of Our Lady of the Rosary was commissioned in 1593 by the Spanish Governor of the Philippines, Luis Perez Dasmariñas, who wanted the statue to memorialize both his deceased father and his own regime. The statue was entrusted to the Dominicans in Manila and was enshrined in Santo Domingo Church, where it received an outpouring of love and devotion.
Fifty-three years later, in March, 1646, while Spanish invaders were still governing the islands and were outright enemies of the Dutch, the people were shocked to learn that a fleet of five Dutch war ships was bearing down on Manila. Carrying the triple threat of conquest, pillage and Dutch Protestantism, the enemy had chosen a time when Spanish warships were unavailable for defense.
Two commercial galleons, "The Rosary" and "The Incarnation," were donated by their owners and were quickly outfitted in preparation for battle. While sailing into position for the confrontation, the men prayed the Rosary and dedicated themselves to La Naval, Our Lady of the Holy Rosary.
The five Dutch ships were well-equipped with canons, firearms and trained seamen; the two Spanish-Filipino cargo sips were poorly fitted with a few guns. At the end of the day it seemed unbelievable that the Dutch fled the area while the defenders of the city returned home in glory, praising Our Lady for her protection.
For the next four months, the two cargo ships patrolled the waters; then, in July, they discovered they had been trapped in a narrow strait by not five, but seven Dutch ships. Since their position did not afford a proper angle for battle, they prayed and waited. Fearful that they would be attacked, they vowed that if they were victorious they would pilgrimage barefoot to the Church of Santo Domingo to thank Our Lady of the Rosary. Through the intercession of La Naval, the two cargo ships were apparently unseen in the fading sunset since the Dutch ships turned toward Manila without firing on them. The two cargo ships then gave chase and closed in. At sunrise the next day the Dutch retreated in disgrace. As soon as the victors arrived home, they gratefully fulfilled their vow.
After the next battle the people of Manila began to call the cargo ships "the galleons of the miracle." After the fourth confrontation and victory the name was confirmed. Yet a fifth time the Dutch fleet appeared for battle. Anxious to defend their honor and restore their pride, the Dutch resolved to win at any cost. The advantage was definitely theirs when they found the two cargo ships anchored with the wind against them. Unable to move, the two cargo ships fought where they were and defeated the enemy so badly that they limped away, never to return.
Our Lady of the Rosary and the men of her two cargo ships defeated 15 well-equipped warships.
This victory at Manila is similar in many respects to the great naval victory at Lepanto, which was also credited to the intervention of Our Lady and the power of her Holy Rosary.
In both instances Our Lady miraculously defended and granted victory to the seamen who place their trust in her.
Sixteen years after the successful defense of Manila, an Ecclesiastical Council was convened in Cavite to study the unusual aspects of the five naval victories. The Council consisted of theologians, canonists, and prominent religious. On April 9, 1662, after studying all the written and oral testimonies of the participants and eyewitnesses, the Council declared that the victories were:
Granted by the Sovereign Lord through the intercession of the Most Holy Virgin and devotion to her Rosary, that the miracles be celebrated, preached and held in festivities and to be recounted among the miracles wrought by the Lady of the Rosary for the greater devotion of the faithful to Our Most Blessed Virgin Mary and Her Holy Rosary.
This decree was signed by all eight members of the Ecclesiastical Council.
Before the victories, but more especially since then, the people of the Philippines have lavished La Naval with their most loving devotion and reverence. The greatest tribute was paid Our Lady when the statue was canonically crowned on October, 1907 by the Apostolic Delegate to the Philippines, Msgr. Ambrose Agius.
When the church of Santo Domingo was bombed in 1941, the statue was hidden for its protection and was later transferred to the chapel of the University of Santo Tomas. It was here that thousands of Our Lady's devotees visited the miraculous statue in observance of the third centennial in 1946. When the shrine at the new Santo Domingo church in Quezon City was completed in 1954, La Naval was carried there in a boat-shaped carriage during a solemn procession attended by the Philippine hierarchy, public officials, priests, nuns and thousands of La Naval's faithful children. During the Marian year of 1954, the Philippine bishops declared the Church of Santo Domingo in Quezon City to be the National Shrine of
Our Lady of the Rosary. Yet another honor was conferred on Our Lady when she was acknowledged as the patroness of the capital city of the Philippines.
The statue that is so dearly loved by the Filipino people stands 4'8" tall and is made of hardwood, but ivory covers the faces and the hands of Mother and Child. The statue is perhaps the most resplendent of the statues mentioned in this book. With the Christ Child on her left side, gently supported by the Virgin's left hand, Our Lady's right hand holds a scepter and a 15-decade gold rosary that is draped in such a fashion that it wraps around the hands of Mother and Child. Both figures are clothed in exquisite golden dresses and mantles that are heavily embroidered with golden thread.
An unusual ornament adorns the figure of the Mother of God. Against the lace that encircles the head is a golden, gem-studded circle. The bottom of this circle rests against the chest of the Madonna. Resembling a golden aura, both small and large rays, richly enhanced with jewels, extend from the circle. Atop the head of the Madonna rests a magnificent crown that matches the one worn by her Child. To further display the love that the Filipinos have for the Mother of God, they have encircled the golden aura and the crown of the Madonna with an even larger halo of gold, and the crown of the Madonna with an even larger halo of gold, with jewels sparkling at the tips of 24 large rays and 24 small rays.
The Blessed Mother has slightly Oriental features and is quite lovely. The Christ Child is exceptionally appealing with a beautiful face, fat cheeks and a plump little hand raised in blessing. The statue with its costly robes, halos and crowns is one of the beautiful of the miraculous images mentioned in this book.
The Church of Santo Domingo was damaged several times by fire and earthquakes and was finally destroyed in 1941 by bombs, yet the statue has never been damaged. La Naval is presently treasured by the Filipino people in the new Santo Domingo Church in Quezon City, a few miles from Manila. During the Marian year of 1954 the church was designated as the national shrine of Our Lady of the Rosary.
The anniversary of the vow made by the defenders of Manila during the second naval battle is still observed each year by the people of the Philippines who pilgrimage to the miraculous statue to demonstrate their love for Our Lady of the Rosary and their gratitude for the miracles of protection that took place almost 350 years ago.
THE BATTLE OF VIENNA 1683
One of the most important battles of the 17th century was the battle of Vienna, which was fought on September 12, 1683. The outcome of this battle would have a profound effect on the future of Eastern, if not of all, Europe. The Battle of Vienna was mainly fought by the Turks, with about 15,000 Tatars on their side, against a less numerous combination of Polish, German, and Austrian forces. The Turkish forces were led by the Grand Vizier Kara Mustafa, an ambitious man, but who wasn't a very good general judging by the number of battles he had lost. The opposing forces were led by Jan Sobieski. On May 21, 1674, Sobieski was elected king as John III by the Diet. This was after the death of King Michael Wisniowiecki the previous year, on November 10th. Sobieski was an intelligent, talented, and brave man. He was also a patriot of Poland and always wanted the best for his country.
Since about March the Turks were preparing for an attack on the Hapsburg capital, Vienna, and were gathering their forces together rather rapidly. By June, they had invaded Austria.. Kara Mustafa Pasha lead an Ottoman force of 140,000 against Vienna, defended by a force of 11,000. King Leopold and his court fled to Passau. On July 14, the Turks reached Vienna. They laid siege to the great city. One of the disadvantages that the Turks had was that they did not have sufficient heavy artillery. The defenders fought bravely but their food supply and their ammunition were growing low. The Turks had made some breaches in the walls but their effort was hindered by the barricades erected by the people of Vienna.
Earlier that year on March 31, 1683, King John III had signed the Treaty of Warsaw with the Holy Roman Emperor Leopold. In this treaty, it was agreed to come to one's aid if the Turks attacked either Krakow or Vienna. Following his agreement in the treaty and the appeal of the pope, Sobieski marched to Vienna with an army of about 30,000 men. Sobieski said that his purpose for going to Vienna was "to proceed to the Holy War, and with God's help to give back the old freedom to besieged Vienna, and thereby help wavering Christendom."
Upon reaching Vienna, he joined up with the Austrians and Germans. Sobieski had noticed that the Turkish resistance was weak. When he ordered full attack, he completely surprised Kara Mustafa. Sobieski and his husaria, which is Polish heavy cavalry, alongside with the cooperation of the whole army, played an important role in the victory. Sobieski with his husaria charged toward Kara Mustafa's headquarters and seeing this, Mustafa's army fled in panic. Even so, the Turkish army suffered heavy losses. This victory freed Europe from the Ottoman Turks and their invasions and secured Christianity as the main religion in all of Europe.
After the Battle of Vienna, Jan Sobieski entered Vienna in glory. The King and his Polish army had won lots of fame after their victory. Jan III Sobieski was not only looked upon as the savior of Vienna, but as a savior of the whole Europe from the Ottoman Turks.
Such are but a few examples of the many victories obtained through the extraordinary power of the holy rosary of the Blessed Virgin Mary! Our Lady has so often appeared and asked her children to pray the holy rosary for victory and peace, as she did to St. Bernadette of Lourdes and later to the little shepherds at Fatima in 1917 during the Great War.
At the time of the apparition Pontmain was a small village, inhabited by simple and hardworking country folk, who were guided by their parish priest Abbé Michel Guérin. The Barbadette family consisted of father César, his wife, Victoire, with their two sons Joseph and Eùgene, aged ten and twelve, and another older boy who was away in the army.
It was the darkest hour of the War of 1870. Prussian armies had invaded a large part of France, and the nation was in complete disarray. On the morning of January 17, 1871, Prussian troops were at the outskirts of Laval in the district of Mayenne. The city will have to pay the heavy military assessment levied against it: three million francs in gold.
On the evening of 17 January 1871, the two boys were helping their father in the barn when the eldest, Eùgene, walked over towards the door to look out.
As he gazed at the star studded sky he noticed one area practically free of stars above a neighbouring house. Suddenly he saw an apparition of a beautiful woman smiling at him; she was wearing a blue gown covered with golden stars, and a black veil under a golden crown.
His father, brother, and a neighbour came out to look and Joseph immediately said he too could see the apparition although the adults saw nothing. The mother, Victoire, came out but she too could see nothing, although she was puzzled because her boys were usually very truthful. She suggested that it might be the Blessed Virgin, and that they should all pray five Our Fathers and five Hail Marys in her honour.
As it was now about a quarter past six, and time for supper, the boys were ordered inside but soon after allowed to go outside again. The Lady was still there and so the local schoolteacher, Sister Vitaline, was sent for. She couldn't see the Lady, and so she went to fetch two young girls from the school to see their reactions.
Immediately after they arrived the two girls aged nine and eleven, expressed their delight at the apparition, describing it as the boys had done earlier.
The adults in the crowd, which had now grown to about sixty people including the priest, could still see nothing and began to say the rosary, as the children exclaimed that something new was happening. A blue oval frame with four candles, two at the level of the shoulders and two at the knees, was being formed around the Lady, and a short red cross had appeared over her heart.
As the rosary progressed the figure and its frame grew larger, until it was twice life size; the stars around her began to multiply and attach themselves to her dress until it was covered with them.
As the Magnificat was being prayed the four children cried out, "Something else is happening." A broad streamer on which letters were appearing unrolled beneath the feet of the Lady, so that eventually the phrase, "But pray, my children," could be read.
Fr. Guérin then ordered that the Litany of Our Lady should be sung, and as this progressed new letters appeared, making the message, "God will soon answer you." As they continued to sing, another message was formed, one that removed any doubt that it was the Blessed Virgin who was appearing to the children; "My Son allows Himself to be moved."
The children were beside themselves with joy at the beauty of the Lady and her smile, but her expression then changed to one of extreme sadness, as she now contemplated a large red cross that had suddenly appeared before her, with a figure of Jesus on it in an even darker shade of red.
One of the stars then lit the four candles that surrounded the figure, as the crucifix vanished and the group continued their prayers.
As Sister Mary Edward began the hymn Ave Maria Stella, the Blessed Virgin lowered Her arms and Her countenance became bright and happy.
Finally, the visionaries reported that a great white veil had appeared under Our Lady's feet. It slowly began to rise up in front of her figure until it covered her from view from the waist down. After a pause, the veil continued to rise again, until nothing was seen of her except her face with its beautiful smile. When her face, too, became hidden, the children let out protestations of great sadness. Nothing was visible now except the cap-like crown on her head, the oval, the stars, and the candles. Eventually, all of these disappeared too. It was approximately 8:45 PM
It was the following morning when the villagers of Pontmain received the news that the previous night, Prussian General Schmidt had been ordered to bring his troops back from Laval at the precise moment he was preparing to overtake it. The time corresponded with the time of the apparition in Pontmain. More amazing still, the Prussian soldiers involved in this invasion were astounded that as they neared the city to capture it, they encountered "a Madonna guarding the entrance and forbidding us to advance!"
"The rout of fleeing soldiers is unimaginable. They are deaf to the command of officers. Two of them have been shot down in their tracks, but this example has had no effect on the others. In the 39 years that I have been in the service, never have I found myself in such a distressing situation," writes the Commander of the 16th Corps.
The troops turned back from Laval, and the city was untouched. Within twelve days the Prussian army had withdrawn all troops and abandoned France.
The Blessed Virgin Mary's visitation brought the war to an end.
The following March a canonical inquiry into the apparition was held, and in May the local bishop questioned the children, the inquiry being continued later in the year with further questioning by theologians and a medical examination. The bishop was satisfied by these investigations, and on February 2, 1872, declared his belief that it was the Blessed Virgin who had appeared to the children and officially authorized devotion to the Blessed Virgin of Pontmain under the title:
Joseph Barbadette became a priest, a member of the Congregation of the Oblates of Mary Immaculate, while his brother Eùgene became a secular priest. He was assisted by one of the girls who had seen Mary as his housekeeper, with the other, Jeanne-Marie Lebossé, becoming a nun. A large basilica was built at Pontmain and consecrated in 1900.
Russians Pullout of Austria, 1948 - After World War ll, the Allies turned over Catholic Austria to communist Russia. For three years the Austrian people endured this tyranny.
Then, a Franciscan priest, Father Petrus, remembered how the Christians although greatly outnumbered had defeated the Turks at the Battle of Lepanto through the Rosary, and he launched a Rosary crusade. Through it 70,000 people, one tenth of the Austrian population, pledged to say the Rosary daily for the Soviets to leave their country. Austria was valuable to the Russians because of its strategic location, rich mineral deposits and oil reserves.
Yet on May 13, 1955, the anniversary of the first apparition of Our Lady at Fatima, the Russians signed the agreement to leave Austria, and they did so without one person being killed and without one shot being fired. It is the only time that the militant atheistic forces of Marxism have ever peacefully left a country in which they held power. Military strategists and historians are baffled as to why the Russians pulled out. But we are not - it was the power of the Rosary.
The Country That Saved Itself - Brazil 1962 - In 1962 there was a looming threat of communist takeover in Brazil. A woman there named Dona Amelia Bastos was known to have formed a Rosary rally among the Brazilian women there to do their part in opposing the looming threat. Their goal was simply to pray the Rosary in large groups asking the Virgin Mary for help in opposing the Communist takeover which the President of Brazil was leaning toward at the time. In Belo Horizonte 20,000 women reciting the rosary aloud broke up a Communist rally. In Sao Paulo, 600,000 women praying the rosary in one of the most moving demonstrations in Brazilian history, caused the President of Brazil to flee the country and not a single death was encountered, sparing the country from Communist takeover.
Rosary Miracle at Hiroshima - August 6th, 1945 There was a home eight blocks (about 1 kilometer) from where the A-Bomb went off in Hiroshima Japan. This home had a church attached to it which was completely destroyed, but the home survived, and so did the eight German Jesuit missionaries who prayed the rosary in that house faithfully every day. These men were missionaries to the Japanese people, they were non-military, but because
Germany and Japan were allies during WWII they were permitted to live and minister within Japan during the war. Not only did they all survive with (at most) relatively minor injuries, but they all lived well past that awful day with no radiation sickness, no loss of hearing, or any other visible long term defects or maladies. Naturally, they were interviewed numerous times (Fr. Schiffer, a survivor, said over 200 times) by scientists and health care people about their remarkable experience and they say "we believe that we survived because we were living the message of Fatima. We lived and prayed the rosary daily in that home." Of course the secular scientists are speechless and incredulous at this explanation - and they are sure there is some "real" explanation - but at the same time over 55 years later the scientists are still absolutely bamboozled when it comes to finding a plausible scenario to explain the missionaries’ unique escape from the hellish power of that bomb.
L'Ile-Bouchard 1947
STORY HERE
The Rosary Defeats a Philippino Dictatorship in 1986
Pray the rosary unceasingly for a moral government, leaders with integrity, and an end to evil regimes!
LAST BUT BY NO MEANS LEAST
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Permalink Reply by Nicola Wansink on
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One thing has always particularly struck me about the story of Fatima. On the day of the foretold miracle owing to a huge storm which swept across the globe and passed over Portugal in the days before, everything was muddy and the pilgrims were wet and disheveled. The pilgrims had even come inside the seers homes and trampled their muddy feet on the beds (I always felt for Jacinta and Franciscos mother for this). The pilgrims knelt in the mud when witnessing the miracle of the sun and yet when it was over everything was clean and dry, and spotless clothes, homes etc. That was according to the Whole Truth About Fatima. I have always believed that should the Holy Father and the bishops do their part (which necessitates us doing our part - pray, do penance and first Saturday devotion) Our Lady will certainly "put the house in order...immaculately.
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Permalink Reply by Dawn Marie on
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What a great analogy! You are so right about that Nicoloa.
Nicola Wansink said:One thing has always particularly struck me about the story of Fatima. On the day of the foretold miracle owing to a huge storm which swept across the globe and passed over Portugal in the days before, everything was muddy and the pilgrims were wet and disheveled. The pilgrims had even come inside the seers homes and trampled their muddy feet on the beds (I always felt for Jacinta and Franciscos mother for this). The pilgrims knelt in the mud when witnessing the miracle of the sun and yet when it was over everything was clean and dry, and spotless clothes, homes etc. That was according to the Whole Truth About Fatima. I have always believed that should the Holy Father and the bishops do their part (which necessitates us doing our part - pray, do penance and first Saturday devotion) Our Lady will certainly "put the house in order...immaculately.
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Permalink Reply by Sue K on
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Make it known to My ministers that it has been given to them that they follow the example of the King of France in delaying the execution of My request, and that they will follow him into misfortune. - Our Lord to Sr. Lucia 1931
So, what is this misfortune predicted by Our Lord? How should we read this --- what was course of France exemplified by the King of France because the consecration to the Sacred Heart was late?
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Permalink Reply by Cathleen on
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100 years later, King Louis XVI was beheaded during the evil French Revolution because his grandfather didn't do as Our Lord asked.
Sue K said:Make it known to My ministers that it has been given to them that they follow the example of the King of France in delaying the execution of My request, and that they will follow him into misfortune. - Our Lord to Sr. Lucia 1931
So, what is this misfortune predicted by Our Lord? How should we read this --- what was course of France exemplified by the King of France because the consecration to the Sacred Heart was late?
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Yes. In conclusion, what can we expect will happen to the authorities in Rome: the pope and the ministers of Our Lord? Was France spared after the King Louis XVI reportedly consecrated his nation to the Sacred Heart, too late, while in prison? How can we read this prophecy of Our Lord to Sr. Lucia in light of the events in France?
Cathleen said:100 years later, King Louis XVI was beheaded during the evil French Revolution because his grandfather didn't do as Our Lord asked.
Sue K said:Make it known to My ministers that it has been given to them that they follow the example of the King of France in delaying the execution of My request, and that they will follow him into misfortune. - Our Lord to Sr. Lucia 1931
So, what is this misfortune predicted by Our Lord? How should we read this --- what was course of France exemplified by the King of France because the consecration to the Sacred Heart was late?
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We would be wise to take things one day at a time, one step at a time keeping in mind that with Our Lady and more rightly because of her, God will have mercy.
In the meantime, while we wait, we pray and we suffer and we continue to ask Our Lady for her intercession in granting us unworthy sinners the great grace of that consecration...so utterly undeserved.
Ya know Sue, the sede, more particularly one Fr. Ceriani (not sure if I spelled that right) has stated on his website that the consecration can not happen, that it is impossible because it is too late. When I found out that he said that a knife of sorrow went through my heart because I realized then and there that someone who truly knew and understood Mary the Mother of God would never say such a thing. That he says this and leads others to think such an error as well is sorrow multiplied. I pray God he finds Mary truly and not just superficially.
We pray, we hope and we should not worry.
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Any of the Kings of France in that 100 years could have obeyed the behests of Our Lord, but they chose not to just as any of the Popes could have obeyed Our Lady. I do believe , however there were a number of particularly opportune "windows" when it would have been easier to accomplish, and it likely that these coincided with times when the devotions of the people were at their greatest. Our Lady then indicated to Lucia that the moment was come. At that time also the bishops of the world were catholic and relatively obedient to the pope. These things are more problematic now but Our Lady did say (Deo gratias) that in the end it would be done and Her Immaculate Heart would triumph. I am of the opinion that it is our duty to pray for those in authority that they might be given the graces they require and the knowledge that they may be moved to obey Our Lady and through Her Our Lord Jesus Christ. Also I think sedevacantists tend to disregard the message of Fatima because one requires a pope to resolve the crisis and their position obviates that. (hope that's the right word.)
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Excellent points Nicola+
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*Sue please don't post that stuff here. Thanks....
I recommend you read this article for starters, to get an idea of what's happened in Russia since the consecration. Light from the East (be sure to scroll half way down the page to the article.) There were days after the fall of communism when a single priest would baptize 100 people.
I find it very curious that so many Traditionalists (I am a Trad) think that the conversion is going to be so spectacular, when, after all, Our Lord told Sr. Lucia that the Consecration would be late, Russia would already have spread her errors throughout the world, and the pope and ministers would follow in the footsteps of the King of France!! The Third Secret doesn't predict a rosy scenario, nor does the vision Sr. Lucy had Jan 3, 1944, recently revealed. People aren't doing penance, few are praying the rosary, and even fewer are amending their lives.
Bring into the mix the prophecy of St. Malachy of the end of the papal line, the apostasy of the present pope and bishops, the prophecy of Our Lady of La Salette, and, frankly, when is there going to be this future Consecration you all are waiting for? I think we have had our period of peace; the Cold War has been officially over for 20 years. Sure looks like it's on again, according to Prof. Stephen Cohen and others.
We were very fortunate: in 1980's the the West and the USSR were a lot closer to war than we realized at the time (see: CIA: The 1983 Cold War Scare)
Here are some very remarkable events that happened in the USSR after the '84 Consecration: Fall of the Soviet Union
So, Adrienne, I agree, Our Lady can and did do marvels dismantling the Soviet Union, home of the Gulag. Since 1988 an average of 1,000 churches a year open in Russia. (In the West, they are closing!) But, as you said, the Consecration was late (very late: and done almost as if to say under duress, the pope had to be shot to wake him up) and people are not responding with penance or gratitude or amendment of life. What has Eastern Europe done with its freedom? I keep praying, as Sr. Lucia requested, for the Conversion of the Russian people...but, I wonder, to what? The Vatican II Apostatic Church? (no, that is not a spelling error.)
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Ignore facts doesn't help us arrive at the truth nor does mangling those facts to fit them into a Procrustean bed advance us in understanding.The Procrustean bed theories: the Vatican had Sr. Lucia murdered and/or replaced with an impostor, or Sr. Lucia was weak/brainwashed and gave into pressure from the Vatican---forgetting she was the messenger chosen by Heaven to deliver the message and she was promised she would never be abandoned.
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*Sue please don't post that stuff here. Thanks....
I recommend you read this article for starters, to get an idea of what's happened in Russia since the consecration. Light from the East (be sure to scroll half way down the page to the article.) There were days after the fall of communism when a single priest would baptize 100 people.
I find it very curious that so many Traditionalists (I am a Trad) think that the conversion is going to be so spectacular, when, after all, Our Lord told Sr. Lucia that the Consecration would be late, Russia would already have spread her errors throughout the world, and the pope and ministers would follow in the footsteps of the King of France!! The Third Secret doesn't predict a rosy scenario, nor does the vision Sr. Lucy had Jan 3, 1944, recently revealed. People aren't doing penance, few are praying the rosary, and even fewer are amending their lives.
Bring into the mix the prophecy of St. Malachy of the end of the papal line, the apostasy of the present pope and bishops, the prophecy of Our Lady of La Salette, and, frankly, when is there going to be this future Consecration you all are waiting for? I think we have had our period of peace; the Cold War has been officially over for 20 years. Sure looks like it's on again, according to Prof. Stephen Cohen and others.
We were very fortunate: in 1980's the the West and the USSR were a lot closer to war than we realized at the time (see: CIA: The 1983 Cold War Scare)
Here are some very remarkable events that happened in the USSR after the '84 Consecration: Fall of the Soviet Union
So, Adrienne, I agree, Our Lady can and did do marvels dismantling the Soviet Union, home of the Gulag. Since 1988 an average of 1,000 churches a year open in Russia. (In the West, they are closing!) But, as you said, the Consecration was late (very late: and done almost as if to say under duress, the pope had to be shot to wake him up) and people are not responding with penance or gratitude or amendment of life. What has Eastern Europe done with its freedom? I keep praying, as Sr. Lucia requested, for the Conversion of the Russian people...but, I wonder, to what? The Vatican II Apostatic Church? (no, that is not a spelling error.)
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Dear Sue,
It is very simple, Russia has not been consecrated.
I think you believe it has and you can think whatever you wish, but I do not want that kind of nonsense posted here for one simple reason, I do not believe such theories are from God, they are rather from satan and he wishes to convince otherwise good and decent souls that it is done and or to confuse otherwise good and decent souls on the issue.
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Just found this Forum. EXCELLENT. The ones that really believe in Fatima as well as in the Messenger and Messages just published by Monseñor Williamson in five ECs ("Inside Story"; saw them posted in Forum) are the Romans starting with Cardinal Castrillón Hoyos (who got Monseñor Fellay extremely frightened - "scared to death" in English, I believe - explained in one of the ECs). Otherwise, why would he have persecuted Father Gruner to this level?
"The Ultimate Threat
With matters seemingly stalled in the Apostolic Signatura, Fr. Gruner was suddenly attacked from a new direction. A letter was hand-delivered in early June 2000, from Cardinal Castrillon Hoyos, Prefect of the Congregation for the Clergy. With stunning disregard for Canon Law, the letter repeated false accusations already refuted in documents filed with the Signatura, and threatened Fr. Gruner with excommunication! Fr. Gruner replied, once again denying the accusations, and challenging the morality of the threat of excommunication.
The Cardinal Carries On
A month later, Cardinal Hoyos instructed various Nuncios around the world to circulate lies, including a charge of forgery, against Fr. Gruner. When challenged about this, the Cardinal amended his false accusations to lesser charges, equally false, but made no retraction or apology. Nor did he withdraw his illicit threat of excommunication. In December of 2000, Fr. Gruner filed a new canonical complaint to the Pope about Cardinal Hoyos, requesting his removal from office."
(http://www.fatima.org/essentials/opposed/cvrup1.asp)
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