SSPX head says ‘catastrophic’ Pope Francis decisions would justify new bishops

[Dawn Marie]

SSPX head says ‘catastrophic’ Pope Francis decisions would justify new bishops

SSPX Superior General Fr. Pagliarani said the Francis pontificate embodied a lasting state of necessity, citing 'epochal,' 'catastrophic' decisions which remain on the books.

(LifeSiteNews) — Father Davide Pagliarani, superior general of the Society of St. Pius X, addressed questions surrounding episcopal consecrations and the Church’s present crisis during a December 13 talk in Friedrichshafen, Germany, urging prayer, patience, and what he called “supernatural prudence.”

Speaking in French and translated at points into German, Pagliarani told those present that he would not offer “dates or names” regarding future consecrations, instead asking the faithful to take the matter up as a serious prayer intention. The address was attended by senior SSPX figures, including former Superior Generals Bishop Bernard Fellay and Father Franz Schmidberger.

Pagliarani framed the discussion around the question of a “state of necessity,” recalling that in 1988 Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre judged such a state to exist in the wake of the 1986 Assisi interreligious meeting. He argued that the situation has only intensified since then, particularly in light of the pontificate of Francis.

“After the pontificate of Pope Francis,” Pagliarani said, that period contained decisions that were “epochal, catastrophic … and which remain.”

He added that “his pontificate, from beginning to end, represents and expresses this state of necessity – which in general, independent of the consecrations, justifies the apostolate of the society.”

While noting that Francis has since died, he insisted that the effects of those decisions endure. In his assessment, the entire pontificate “represents and expresses this state of necessity,” a condition that, he said, already justifies the society’s apostolate independently of any question of consecrations.

He defined the state of necessity in concrete terms:

When we enter a normal church, an ordinary, common parish, we unfortunately no longer find today the guarantees of finding the necessary means to work out our salvation: the preaching of truth, and the sacraments.

According to Pagliarani, this reality is “much easier to observe” today than it was in 1988.

Turning to Lefebvre’s actions, Pagliarani described the 1988 consecrations not merely as a bold decision, but as “an act of virtue” and, more precisely, “an act of supernatural prudence.” He stressed that Lefebvre waited, prayed, and acted publicly only when the moment was ripe, despite significant disagreement at the time.

“The more time passes,” he said, “the wider is the camp of those who recognize” the value of that act. He emphasised that the SSPX does not act in defiance of the Church, but to serve her, even when using “extraordinary means” proportionate to the gravity of the crisis.

[Joseph]

Praying for a miracle. Please Dear God let it happen.

[Margie]

What is this?  Over a year ago, Father Pagliarani said we would be getting new Bishops.  He made it sound like it was imminent.  Nothing was heard after that.  Many of us waited, but no information regarding these Bishops was ever mentioned again.  Now it sounds like it's up to us to pray for that intention.  How much more does Pope Leo have to do to convince the SSPX that they need to act, and now!

[Dawn Marie]

I'm afraid at that time they were still in hopes of getting something from Leo.  When the reality hit them right between the eyes that Leo's door was shut unless they wished to join the "synodal church", a reality which they have only now come to realize, this is when one can say they will absolutely be consecrating new bishops with or without Leo's consent. 

Fr. Pagliarani's statement that they would be doing this was in reality at that time still only a possibility even though he did in fact make it sound imminent.  Now they realize either they consecrate new bishops or the SSPX is over and Leo is NEVER giving them permission.

All that being said the SSPX leadership has a new problem on their hands.  They have spent the last 15 years training these new seminarians that Rome is everything and we can't make a move without the pope.  As well they have had a mass influx of indult people and novus ordo's who will never accept them consecrating bishops without Rome's approval.  Iow they've made a mess of things by diverting off the road ABL was on and now they are trying to go back.

They will consecrate new bishops but first they will seek to minimize the loss of faithful, priests and seminarians by trying to change their hearts and minds as they said at the German talk in the video.

To be blunt it's like this...they royally screwed up and are now trying to right the ships course.

I suppose as the saying goes, better to start badly and end well then to start well and end badly.  They have my continued never ending prayers and support in righting the ships course.  I hope by God's grace they will do it.

[Michael]

I agree.  They need not worry and just be Catholic.  Don't budge again, don't give an inch and restore all things in Christ. 

[Joseph]

Yes ,they in their hubris, royally screwed up. Now they must make it right, if in the process of making things right they loose people, then those people didn't belong in the first place. They were there for the smells and bells.

Dawn Marie said:

I'm afraid at that time they were still in hopes of getting something from Leo.  When the reality hit them right between the eyes that Leo's door was shut unless they wished to join the "synodal church", a reality which they have only now come to realize, this is when one can say they will absolutely be consecrating new bishops with or without Leo's consent. 

Fr. Pagliarani's statement that they would be doing this was in reality at that time still only a possibility even though he did in fact make it sound imminent.  Now they realize either they consecrate new bishops or the SSPX is over and Leo is NEVER giving them permission.

All that being said the SSPX leadership has a new problem on their hands.  They have spent the last 15 years training these new seminarians that Rome is everything and we can't make a move without the pope.  As well they have had a mass influx of indult people and novus ordo's who will never accept them consecrating bishops without Rome's approval.  Iow they've made a mess of things by diverting off the road ABL was on and now they are trying to go back.

They will consecrate new bishops but first they will seek to minimize the loss of faithful, priests and seminarians by trying to change their hearts and minds as they said at the German talk in the video.

To be blunt it's like this...they royally screwed up and are now trying to right the ships course.

I suppose as the saying goes, better to start badly and end well then to start well and end badly.  They have my continued never ending prayers and support in righting the ships course.  I hope by God's grace they will do it.

[Dawn Marie]

Joseph said:

Yes ,they in their hubris, royally screwed up. Now they must make it right, if in the process of making things right they loose people, then those people didn't belong in the first place. They were there for the smells and bells.

Dawn Marie said:

I'm afraid at that time they were still in hopes of getting something from Leo.  When the reality hit them right between the eyes that Leo's door was shut unless they wished to join the "synodal church", a reality which they have only now come to realize, this is when one can say they will absolutely be consecrating new bishops with or without Leo's consent. 

Fr. Pagliarani's statement that they would be doing this was in reality at that time still only a possibility even though he did in fact make it sound imminent.  Now they realize either they consecrate new bishops or the SSPX is over and Leo is NEVER giving them permission.

All that being said the SSPX leadership has a new problem on their hands.  They have spent the last 15 years training these new seminarians that Rome is everything and we can't make a move without the pope.  As well they have had a mass influx of indult people and novus ordo's who will never accept them consecrating bishops without Rome's approval.  Iow they've made a mess of things by diverting off the road ABL was on and now they are trying to go back.

They will consecrate new bishops but first they will seek to minimize the loss of faithful, priests and seminarians by trying to change their hearts and minds as they said at the German talk in the video.

To be blunt it's like this...they royally screwed up and are now trying to right the ships course.

I suppose as the saying goes, better to start badly and end well then to start well and end badly.  They have my continued never ending prayers and support in righting the ships course.  I hope by God's grace they will do it.