Pontifical High Mass and Homily: Amity, OR

[Susan]

Any thoughts on this?

[Dawn Marie]

Smells and bells is all that comes to mind....but I could be wrong.

[Susan]

Listen to his homily.   Interesting....

[Dawn Marie]

Yes I have...how then does this bishop square himself with Francis who is condemning all those attached to the TLM such as Fisher More College, The Franciscans of the Immaculata and The Good Shepherd Institute?

The TLM is not, I repeat not the extraordinary form.  I say this not directed toward you Susan but to those who believe the fight for the Faith begins and ends with being given the crumb of Summorum Pontificum.  While I am not of the harsh opinion as some others are that SP is evil, I believe it had at least taken the handcuffs off the True Mass, I am of the opinion and have been that it was ill conceived to put the TLM and the novus ordo mess on equal footing.  In fact it didn't even do that, it put Our Lord in all His majesty as He is found in the True Mass BELOW the novus ordo mess.  Second to the novus ordo.  This is not justice.

The fight for the restoration of the Church is not about "allowing" or placating those who are true to Tradition.  Tradition must find its way completely back into the Church whole and entire, without exception reigning.

[Michael]

The fight for the restoration of the Church is not about "allowing" or placating those who are true to Tradition.  Tradition must find its way completely back into the Church whole and entire, without exception reigning.

Exactly.  Archbishop Sample has inherited a mess in the Archdiocese of Portland and has already had parishes be openly disobedient to his direction.  I do not feel there was any great pastoral care in the "freeing" of a Mass was not ever abrogated.  I feel it was practicality on the part of a pontiff seeking a agreement with SSPX.  By doing so, he was able to take away another pillar of the society and its resistance toward the modernists in Rome.  The reform of the reform is a joke and Hegelian in orientation.  I admit I admire Archbishop Sample for being forthright about the rupture of the Novus Ordo, but I agree with DM that the Mass of All Ages can never be below the Bugnini corruption.  A hybrid mass would just be another bastard rite and one used to justify all of the nonsense promulgated by VII.  It will be the carrot and the stick.  Smells and bells, but offered as the replacement and solution of Novus Ordo and those who have an "attachment" to the old rite.  Those who then refuse to go along will not be tolerated.  As far as, conceding the validity of the SSPX, he cannot do so for practical reasons, it would verify and support the contention that Archbishop Lefebvre was right all along.  Modernists can not ever admit they are wrong, it was either implemented incorrectly, or interpreted incorrectly.   

[35nd93pnh50uu]

How interesting, I follow a blog of a Catholic family who were making great efforts to attend (as they put it) the extrordinary form. They were delighted when this Archbishop was appointed to their diocese. It's just so sad to see a large family who are very devout, homeschooling, dressing modestly and so on and yet not be able to see where tradition really is. 

[Susan]

Thanks for every ones' of your input, so far.  I posted this because I wanted to know what other people think about what he said. I know a couple of people who went to this Mass, which was the result of a three day conference on Gregorian chant.  All they could talk about was the smells and the bells, the liturgical clothing and how many altar servers there were.  This was all it was for them.   

I mainly attend SSPX Masses, but go to an indult TLM on occasion.  It seems to me that there is somewhat of an attempt by some NO  bishops to promote TLM, basically to compete with the SSPX.  DM...I think you are right to say it is "...all smells and bells....." at this point.  Based on the NO folks I know who attend the indult masses and who promote  the EF, this is all is basically is for them.  I could be wrong, (I hope I'm wrong...) but they seem to go out of their way to learn the chant and mass parts, and learn the rubrics of the altar/servers to a tee.  Almost an in-your-face, competition type of production for them.   "Lookie what we can do...And do it better!"     They have turned the EF into another "group" for folks to join within a parish, somewhat like "environmental committee, CCD teachers, donut bringers on Sunday (no offense here ;)...... you know who I mean....the "misfits" of a parish who need something to do and focus their energies and $$.    Just look at the chant sites across the internet now, many of which publish their own missals and collections of masses and chants.  I've found several sites which have a treasure trove of pre-VII music collections, FREE, for download.  By capitalizing on the interest in the EF, SSPX, and chant, --nostalgia--the NO folks are making their move to keep any fence sitters from jumping to the other side.  

There is a NO parish in Veneta, OR (where St. Thomas Becket, SSPX is),  that has made its move into the  EF world, mainly to take away any SSPX parishioners who might be becoming frustrated with the divisions within the  Society.  (And in regards to divisions, I hear the parish is slowly losing people because of the "resistance factor"( and other bickering) which now has  a presence there.  Please pray for Fr. Burfitt, the prior) 

" It will be the carrot and the stick.  Smells and bells, but offered as the replacement and solution of Novus Ordo and those who have an "attachment" to the old rite. "   All with the encouragement of Archbishop Sample.

http://www.stcveneta.com/     (Novus Ordo)   Look at what the pastor is posting about the SSPX on the site.  

"The fight for the restoration of the Church is not about "allowing" or placating those who are true to Tradition.  Tradition must find its way completely back into the Church whole and entire, without exception reigning." --DM    You are spot on, DM.     What the NO folks are afraid of, is when people start attending the EF Masses, that their interest in Tradition will go beyond the smells and the bells and they might just start becoming interested in theirFaith and the TRUTH---  And the TRUTH would set them free. 

Oddly enough, the priest who says the indult (private ) EF Mass I attend once in awhile, is sympathetic towards the Society, has visited with several of it's priests, and has been accused of becoming "like the SSPX" by other NO priests.  All because he says the EF.  And his bishop, who once said the EF himself, will not let him say the EF publically, without permission--which he is very reluctant to do.   So...there we go.

But, he hasn't said anything critical of Francis, yet.  Nor will he.  

Well, next Sunday, I get to "play church" again :) 

[Michael]

"You are spot on, DM.     What the NO folks are afraid of, is when people start attending the EF Masses, that their interest in Tradition will go beyond the smells and the bells and they might just start becoming interested in their Faith and the TRUTH---  And the TRUTH would set them free. "

Susan, that is also spot on.  If the faithful once again learn their faith, how long do they continue to put up with the current status quo?  The endless ecumenical nonsense and aberrations such as the recent one by Cardinal Dolan?  The Archbishop remarks about the amount of young people in attendance.  That should show him something.   

[Dawn Marie]

Very much agree! 

Beverly Estes said:

I call this "smoke and mirrors". There can only be ONE Mass in the Church throughout the western world. There is ONE, holy Roman Catholic Church. There can only be ONE holy sacrifice of the Mass. Jesus was not crucified 2, 3, or more different ways, only one. We are at the foot of the cross period. I'm sick of the double talk and nonsense. We are definitely on the cross with Our Lord and we will suffer with Him until the triumph of Our Lady! This comment is not meant to chastise any of you on this web-site, you are far holier than I. I'm just sick of the conciliar church trying to patch error and not just wipe error away totally. Guess I better pick up rosary again and continue to pray.

[Lily Paladin]

Sorry to hear of the trouble Fr. Burfitt is having. He was the prior in Phoenix, before going to OR.  He relies on God and therefore is very capable.  I will pray for him.