Interesting article - have removed original poster's name to preserve their privacy
I thought it was interesting that the author talks about Francis' long term approach - He takes his role as "Bishop of Rome" (not as the Pope) usurps the Italian trendy council of bishops, plants his own libtard bishops and finally - given a "chronological distance" so that he (eventually) could be seen to give in to the "majority" request for acknowledgement that the TLM was properly abrogated and therefore the Motu Proprio 2007, releasing the TLM was not valid after all
...and here we are, in 2018, we have priests telling us that indulters and SSPXers are on the same trajectory!! God save us from political machinators! Have a quick read:
Italian Bishops Take Aim at Summorum Pontificum, Want Traditional Mass
Italian Bishops Take Aim at Summorum Pontificum, Want Traditional Mass
Abrogated
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As has so often been the case in the past year or two, an important report has
surfaced
a href="http://blog..messainlatino.it/2018/11/cei-va-abrogata-la-messa-antica-papa.html%3E" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://blog..messainlatino.it/2018/11/cei-va-abrogata-la-messa-anti...
on
the Italian traditionalist blog, *Messa in Latino* (Mass in Latin). In it,
the authors reveal that at the recent Italian Bishops’ Conference meeting
in Rome (Nov. 12-15), an attack was mounted on the 2007 *Motu Proprio* of
Pope Benedict XVI, *Summorum Pontificum. *That papal instruction affirmed
a href="https://w2.vatican.va/content/benedict-xvi/en/motu_proprio/documents/hf_ben-xvi_motu-proprio_20070707_summorum-pontificum.html%3E" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://w2.vatican.va/content/benedict-xvi/en/motu_proprio/document...
that
it is “permitted to celebrate the Sacrifice of the Mass following the
typical edition of the Roman Missal, which was promulgated by Blessed John
XXIII in 1962 and never abrogated, as an extraordinary form of the Church’s
Liturgy.”
The attack was led by Archbishop Redaelli of Gorizia, who argued that the
Mass was, in fact, abrogated (in direct contradiction to Pope Benedict) and
that it can thus not be considered to be universally permitted.
Earlier this week, 1P5 contributor Hilary White, who lives in Italy, offered
a href="https://whatisupwiththesynod.com/index.php/2018/11/16/the-purge-goes-all-in-italian-bishops-meeting-the-ancient-mass-should-be-repealed-pope-ratzinger-made-a-mistake/%3E" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://whatisupwiththesynod.com/index.php/2018/11/16/the-purge-goe...
more
insight into what the liturgical landscape looks like in Italy, and how
this move might be interpreted. She says that the Traditional Mass “is
barely surviving” in Italy “due to the blind, insane hostility of the
Italian bishops to the Catholic religion.” She also argues that Francis has
effectively taken over the Italian Bishops’ Conference, imposing his own
candidate in Perugia and parachuting “a bunch of his toadies into key
positions around the country to start softening up the local Church to his
ideological platform planks.” Hilary continues, saying of Francis:
I’d bet money this is his idea made to look like theirs and he will
acquiesce reluctantly to the overwhelmingly unified decision of the bishops
– synodality, dontcha know. It will probably take a couple of years – one
needs chronological distance in order to maintain plausible deniability –
but it will probably show up as a “key principle” after one of the Synods.
Something that one or two bishops will complain was “never talked about” in
the discussions in the aula.
She expects that locally, there will be a push to kill off whatever TLMs
have managed to survive the already hostile landscape. Over the past half
decade, availability of traditional Masses has “plummeted,” Hilary writes,
and that became clear to her when trying to find a place to live with
access to the Mass after the town of Norcia, where she was an oblate at the
Benedictine Monastery, was destroyed
a href="https://onepeterfive.com/prayers-for-norcia/%3E" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://onepeterfive.com/prayers-for-norcia/> by earthquakes and she was
forced to find a new home.
Twenty months ago, when I was looking for a place in Umbria my first
priority was finding a place within a reasonable communing distance from a
Mass. But I spent a month traveling up and down and back and forth visiting
ALL the Mass centre locations listed by the traddie websites, and of the
five regular Mass centres (not including SSPX) only three were barely
hanging on – one of which was the monastery at Norcia. If they do manage to
formally restrict the Mass again, it will be in the nature of a mop-up job.
Traditionalists are treated by the Italian clergy and hierarchy like people
with a contagious mental disease.
The blow struck by the Italian Bishops against the Mass of the Ages does
not appear to be decisive. To my knowledge, no concrete action has been
taken to repeal Summorum Pontificum in Italy — which, if it were to happen,
would begin a domino effect in hostile dioceses around the world. We may
not see the next step yet, but make no mistake: this is a portentous event,
and it isn’t the last we’ll hear of it.
As she so often does, Hilary cuts to the heart of the matter when she
concludes:
One thing this does demonstrate, however, is that it is only the
Traditionalists and the rabid revolutionaries in robes we still call
bishops who fully understand the importance of the ancient liturgy. They
need to kill it in order to kill the Faith it embodies.
In a followup post, she notes
a href="https://whatisupwiththesynod.com/index.php/2018/11/16/hatred-of-the-ancient-liturgy-always-means-hatred-of-the-ancient-faith-and-love-of-homoheresy/%3E" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://whatisupwiththesynod.com/index.php/2018/11/16/hatred-of-the...
that
Archbishop Redaelli recently refused “to back up one of his parish priests
who objected to having an adult male scout leader of the parish who was in
a same-sex “civil union”.” This refusal ultimately led to the priest’s
resignation while the gay scout leader remained.
“I merely add all this,” she says, “as a helpful illustration of what I
mean by the hatred of the traditional liturgy always goes along with the
hatred of the Faith it embodies.”
The full translation of the *Messa in Latino* post is below, courtesy of
1P5’s Giuseppe Pellegrino:
------------------------------
*Italian Bishops’ Conference: The Traditional Mass Should be Abrogated,
Benedict XVI Was Mistaken*
The reports that had come to us have been confirmed: in Rome, at the
Meeting of the Italian Bishops’ Conference (CEI), an attempt has been made
to attack the *motu proprio *of Benedict XVI [*Summorum Pontificum*], and
also Benedict himself, he who was so fond of that reform, so much so that
he fearlessly faced opposition to it.
What happened?
Archbishop Redaelli, Bishop of Gorizia (whom we know received a degree in
Canon Law at the Pontifical Gregorian University) has asserted that the
[1962] Missal of John XXIII was abrogated by Paul VI (contrary to what
Benedict XVI said in the *motu proprio*), and thus, because the juridical
premises on which *Summorum Pontificum* is based are in error, is without
efficacy in the part in which it affirms the continuing validity of the
[1962] Missal and its unchanged vigor today. For this reason, the *motu
proprio* is a “nonsense” law and the “Tridentine” liturgy was not
legitimately re-established by the motu proprio and it cannot presently be
considered to be universally permitted.
The consequence, hoped for by the most hostile bishops, is a total
cancellation (without appeal) of all of the centers where the TLM is
offered and flourishing since September 14, 2007.
To which we respond, based on the opinion of professional canon lawyers,
not simply doctors of the law in other matters like His Excellency
[Archbishop Radaelli], even if the premise of the motu proprio that the
ancient liturgy was *numquam abrogata *is wrong (which it is not, as is
evidenced, apart from other things, by the pre-existing faculty [prior to
2007] to celebrate the TLM under the Indult), the essential *datum* is
that *Summorum
Pontificum* expresses an irrefutable *ratio legis*: namely that the
Extraordinary Form is henceforward freely to be used; always permitted for
private Masses, and on the request of a stable group of the faithful for
public Masses. Therefore the criticism of Archbishop Radaelli, even if it
was well-founded (and it is not) would have no impact at all on the force
of canon law in effect since 2007.
To this unconvincing intervention is added the even more hostile
intervention of Girardi, Rector of the Institute of Pastoral Liturgy of
Saint Justina of Padua (one of the epicenters of post-conciliar
aberrations), filled with the worst ideology of the “*aggiornamento*.”
Devoid of legal knowledge but full of liturgical arrogance (the famous joke
that circulates in the Vatican is that the difference between a liturgist
and a terrorist is that with the latter, usually, one can negotiate…),
Girardi explained that *Summorum Pontificum* is pernicious from the point
of view of pastoral care, because it is contrary to the conciliar
indications of the Fathers who demanded (according to him) a radical change
to the [1962] Missal. This is by no means true, as evidenced by the reading
of the conciliar Constitution *Sacrosanctum Concilium*, which for example
does not direct that the priest should be turned towards the people, and at
n. 36 categorically prescribes: “The use of the Latin language, except for
particular laws, is preserved in the Latin rites.”
A bishop from Puglia also spoke in support of this liturgist, Bishop
Brambilla of Novara, who, although he spoke in a more elegant manner, also
struck a harsh blow against the *motu proprio*.
Of course, after having been worried [at their meeting] about changing the
long-standing translations of the Gloria and the Our Father, without anyone
feeling it was necessary (and yet obviously the “for you and for all” has
still not been modified, which is clearly in contrast with the original
version, or rather with the very words of Our Lord, who said “for you and
for many”), why would Their Excellencies waste any time analyzing the true
causes of the grave crisis of faith which the Italian Church is living
through (empty seminaries, abandonment of the cassock by many priests, the
collapse of Catholic practice, terrible incidents of homosexual and
pedophilic abuse, altars of severed heads, to cite just a few examples.)
Instead, the urgent matter of the moment was, apparently, lashing out at
the ancient liturgy and calling for its banishment.
There is something sinisterly psychopathic in all this, and it is the envy
of those who are bankrupt: in the collapse of their utopias, in the cold
winter which the radiant ‘conciliar spring’ has turned into, it is too
painful to face reality and honestly admit their mistakes. Instead they try
to destroy the little that still works, like the zeal and decorum of the
celebrations of the ancient rite and the flourishing of vocations in
traditional religious institutes. The case of the Franciscans of the
Immaculate and the hatred of the immemorial liturgy are a clear example of
this insane frenzy of crazy castaways, who try to turn over the few rafts
that still float, rather than thinking of climbing into them or building
new ones.
Robert and Henry
*Translated by Giuseppe Pellegrino*
Abrogated
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As has so often been the case in the past year or two, an important report has
surfaced
a href="http://blog..messainlatino.it/2018/11/cei-va-abrogata-la-messa-antica-papa.html%3E" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://blog..messainlatino.it/2018/11/cei-va-abrogata-la-messa-anti...
on
the Italian traditionalist blog, *Messa in Latino* (Mass in Latin). In it,
the authors reveal that at the recent Italian Bishops’ Conference meeting
in Rome (Nov. 12-15), an attack was mounted on the 2007 *Motu Proprio* of
Pope Benedict XVI, *Summorum Pontificum. *That papal instruction affirmed
a href="https://w2.vatican.va/content/benedict-xvi/en/motu_proprio/documents/hf_ben-xvi_motu-proprio_20070707_summorum-pontificum.html%3E" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://w2.vatican.va/content/benedict-xvi/en/motu_proprio/document...
that
it is “permitted to celebrate the Sacrifice of the Mass following the
typical edition of the Roman Missal, which was promulgated by Blessed John
XXIII in 1962 and never abrogated, as an extraordinary form of the Church’s
Liturgy.”
The attack was led by Archbishop Redaelli of Gorizia, who argued that the
Mass was, in fact, abrogated (in direct contradiction to Pope Benedict) and
that it can thus not be considered to be universally permitted.
Earlier this week, 1P5 contributor Hilary White, who lives in Italy, offered
a href="https://whatisupwiththesynod.com/index.php/2018/11/16/the-purge-goes-all-in-italian-bishops-meeting-the-ancient-mass-should-be-repealed-pope-ratzinger-made-a-mistake/%3E" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://whatisupwiththesynod.com/index.php/2018/11/16/the-purge-goe...
more
insight into what the liturgical landscape looks like in Italy, and how
this move might be interpreted. She says that the Traditional Mass “is
barely surviving” in Italy “due to the blind, insane hostility of the
Italian bishops to the Catholic religion.” She also argues that Francis has
effectively taken over the Italian Bishops’ Conference, imposing his own
candidate in Perugia and parachuting “a bunch of his toadies into key
positions around the country to start softening up the local Church to his
ideological platform planks.” Hilary continues, saying of Francis:
I’d bet money this is his idea made to look like theirs and he will
acquiesce reluctantly to the overwhelmingly unified decision of the bishops
– synodality, dontcha know. It will probably take a couple of years – one
needs chronological distance in order to maintain plausible deniability –
but it will probably show up as a “key principle” after one of the Synods.
Something that one or two bishops will complain was “never talked about” in
the discussions in the aula.
She expects that locally, there will be a push to kill off whatever TLMs
have managed to survive the already hostile landscape. Over the past half
decade, availability of traditional Masses has “plummeted,” Hilary writes,
and that became clear to her when trying to find a place to live with
access to the Mass after the town of Norcia, where she was an oblate at the
Benedictine Monastery, was destroyed
a href="https://onepeterfive.com/prayers-for-norcia/%3E" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://onepeterfive.com/prayers-for-norcia/> by earthquakes and she was
forced to find a new home.
Twenty months ago, when I was looking for a place in Umbria my first
priority was finding a place within a reasonable communing distance from a
Mass. But I spent a month traveling up and down and back and forth visiting
ALL the Mass centre locations listed by the traddie websites, and of the
five regular Mass centres (not including SSPX) only three were barely
hanging on – one of which was the monastery at Norcia. If they do manage to
formally restrict the Mass again, it will be in the nature of a mop-up job.
Traditionalists are treated by the Italian clergy and hierarchy like people
with a contagious mental disease.
The blow struck by the Italian Bishops against the Mass of the Ages does
not appear to be decisive. To my knowledge, no concrete action has been
taken to repeal Summorum Pontificum in Italy — which, if it were to happen,
would begin a domino effect in hostile dioceses around the world. We may
not see the next step yet, but make no mistake: this is a portentous event,
and it isn’t the last we’ll hear of it.
As she so often does, Hilary cuts to the heart of the matter when she
concludes:
One thing this does demonstrate, however, is that it is only the
Traditionalists and the rabid revolutionaries in robes we still call
bishops who fully understand the importance of the ancient liturgy. They
need to kill it in order to kill the Faith it embodies.
In a followup post, she notes
a href="https://whatisupwiththesynod.com/index.php/2018/11/16/hatred-of-the-ancient-liturgy-always-means-hatred-of-the-ancient-faith-and-love-of-homoheresy/%3E" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://whatisupwiththesynod.com/index.php/2018/11/16/hatred-of-the...
that
Archbishop Redaelli recently refused “to back up one of his parish priests
who objected to having an adult male scout leader of the parish who was in
a same-sex “civil union”.” This refusal ultimately led to the priest’s
resignation while the gay scout leader remained.
“I merely add all this,” she says, “as a helpful illustration of what I
mean by the hatred of the traditional liturgy always goes along with the
hatred of the Faith it embodies.”
The full translation of the *Messa in Latino* post is below, courtesy of
1P5’s Giuseppe Pellegrino:
------------------------------
*Italian Bishops’ Conference: The Traditional Mass Should be Abrogated,
Benedict XVI Was Mistaken*
The reports that had come to us have been confirmed: in Rome, at the
Meeting of the Italian Bishops’ Conference (CEI), an attempt has been made
to attack the *motu proprio *of Benedict XVI [*Summorum Pontificum*], and
also Benedict himself, he who was so fond of that reform, so much so that
he fearlessly faced opposition to it.
What happened?
Archbishop Redaelli, Bishop of Gorizia (whom we know received a degree in
Canon Law at the Pontifical Gregorian University) has asserted that the
[1962] Missal of John XXIII was abrogated by Paul VI (contrary to what
Benedict XVI said in the *motu proprio*), and thus, because the juridical
premises on which *Summorum Pontificum* is based are in error, is without
efficacy in the part in which it affirms the continuing validity of the
[1962] Missal and its unchanged vigor today. For this reason, the *motu
proprio* is a “nonsense” law and the “Tridentine” liturgy was not
legitimately re-established by the motu proprio and it cannot presently be
considered to be universally permitted.
The consequence, hoped for by the most hostile bishops, is a total
cancellation (without appeal) of all of the centers where the TLM is
offered and flourishing since September 14, 2007.
To which we respond, based on the opinion of professional canon lawyers,
not simply doctors of the law in other matters like His Excellency
[Archbishop Radaelli], even if the premise of the motu proprio that the
ancient liturgy was *numquam abrogata *is wrong (which it is not, as is
evidenced, apart from other things, by the pre-existing faculty [prior to
2007] to celebrate the TLM under the Indult), the essential *datum* is
that *Summorum
Pontificum* expresses an irrefutable *ratio legis*: namely that the
Extraordinary Form is henceforward freely to be used; always permitted for
private Masses, and on the request of a stable group of the faithful for
public Masses. Therefore the criticism of Archbishop Radaelli, even if it
was well-founded (and it is not) would have no impact at all on the force
of canon law in effect since 2007.
To this unconvincing intervention is added the even more hostile
intervention of Girardi, Rector of the Institute of Pastoral Liturgy of
Saint Justina of Padua (one of the epicenters of post-conciliar
aberrations), filled with the worst ideology of the “*aggiornamento*.”
Devoid of legal knowledge but full of liturgical arrogance (the famous joke
that circulates in the Vatican is that the difference between a liturgist
and a terrorist is that with the latter, usually, one can negotiate…),
Girardi explained that *Summorum Pontificum* is pernicious from the point
of view of pastoral care, because it is contrary to the conciliar
indications of the Fathers who demanded (according to him) a radical change
to the [1962] Missal. This is by no means true, as evidenced by the reading
of the conciliar Constitution *Sacrosanctum Concilium*, which for example
does not direct that the priest should be turned towards the people, and at
n. 36 categorically prescribes: “The use of the Latin language, except for
particular laws, is preserved in the Latin rites.”
A bishop from Puglia also spoke in support of this liturgist, Bishop
Brambilla of Novara, who, although he spoke in a more elegant manner, also
struck a harsh blow against the *motu proprio*.
Of course, after having been worried [at their meeting] about changing the
long-standing translations of the Gloria and the Our Father, without anyone
feeling it was necessary (and yet obviously the “for you and for all” has
still not been modified, which is clearly in contrast with the original
version, or rather with the very words of Our Lord, who said “for you and
for many”), why would Their Excellencies waste any time analyzing the true
causes of the grave crisis of faith which the Italian Church is living
through (empty seminaries, abandonment of the cassock by many priests, the
collapse of Catholic practice, terrible incidents of homosexual and
pedophilic abuse, altars of severed heads, to cite just a few examples.)
Instead, the urgent matter of the moment was, apparently, lashing out at
the ancient liturgy and calling for its banishment.
There is something sinisterly psychopathic in all this, and it is the envy
of those who are bankrupt: in the collapse of their utopias, in the cold
winter which the radiant ‘conciliar spring’ has turned into, it is too
painful to face reality and honestly admit their mistakes. Instead they try
to destroy the little that still works, like the zeal and decorum of the
celebrations of the ancient rite and the flourishing of vocations in
traditional religious institutes. The case of the Franciscans of the
Immaculate and the hatred of the immemorial liturgy are a clear example of
this insane frenzy of crazy castaways, who try to turn over the few rafts
that still float, rather than thinking of climbing into them or building
new ones.
Robert and Henry
*Translated by Giuseppe Pellegrino*
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They can't stop the Resistance priests from offering the TLM!
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