Fellay and Müller discuss a “gradual” move towards full reconciliation

[Dawn Marie]

Fellay and Müller discuss a “gradual” move towards full reconciliation

The meeting between the Superior of the Fraternity of St. Pius X and the heads of the Ecclesia Dei Commission lasted two hours. The Secretary of the former Holy office, Luis Ladaria, was also present.

Their meeting lasted two hours, from 11a.m. to 1 p.m. CET. The Superior of the Fraternity of St. Pius X, Bishop Bernard Fellay and Cardinal Gerhard Ludwig Müller, Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith and President of the Pontifical Commission “Ecclesia Dei” (the body that handles relations between the Holy See’s and the Lefebvrians), discussed “problems of a doctrinal and canonical nature” which need to be resolved in order for the Fraternity to enter into full communion with the Roman Catholic Church.  This was the first time Fellay held a face to face meeting with Müller since the latter was appointed head of the doctrinal Congregation. The Holy See announced the meeting, which took place at the premises of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith.

 The Holy See’s press release informs that the talks were “cordial”. Müller was joined by archbishops Luis Ladaria and Augustine Di Noia, respectively secretary and adjunct secretary of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faithand Guido Pozzo, secretary of the Pontifical Commission “Ecclesia Dei”. Bishop Fellay was accompanied by two assistants from the Society of St. Pius X, Rev. Niklaus Pfluger and Rev. Alain-Marc Nély.

 “During the meeting,” the statement says, “various problems of a doctrinal and canonical nature were examined, and it was decided to proceed gradually and over a reasonable period of time in order to overcome difficulties and with a view to the envisioned full reconciliation.” This phrase is important as it indicates that communication channels between the Holy See and the Lefebvrians remain open. Some in the Vatican and in the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith called for a drastic decision to bring about a formal split between the two again. But Francis does not intend to close the door on dialogue with the Fraternity.

 Readers will recall that on 13 June 2012, the former Prefect of the Holy Office, Cardinal William Levada, had delivered a doctrinal preamble to Fellay to sign. However, four days later, the Lefebvrian superior wrote a letter to Benedict XVI informing him that he could not agree to the terms laid out in the document. Benedict XVI replied on 30 June 2012 communicating his disappointment and repeating his request to the Lefebvrians to recognize that “the magisterium is the authentic interpreter of the Tradition,” that the Second Vatican Council agrees with Tradition and that the Novus Ordo Missae, the post-conciliar liturgical reform promulgated by Paul VI, was not only valid but also legitimate.

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[Dawn Marie]

@ Matthew...that'll learn ya not to get the lady warriors wound up LOLOL.

;)

[Sue K]

[post redacted...not interested in feeding the faithful confusion and misdirection concerning the fact that RUSSIA HAS NOT BEEN CONSECRATED YET]  DM

Dawn Marie said:

Sue you don't honestly believe that trumped up hype do you?

• The evidence is clear
• There has been no period of promised peace, and Mary always keeps her word, no matter how rotten we are.
• Russia has indeed spread her errors (of communism)
• Most countries including the U.S. have fallen to communism or are quickly on their way
• Russia has not converted...this is an obvious big one
• Sister Lucia made it clear Our Lady's request was and is not fulfilled by consecrating the world to her Heart
• If the world is to have a period of peace men would naturally need to convert, or at the very least Rome would have to convert....Rome is more evil than ever before.
• Mary keeps her word exactly as she speaks it not a jot or a tittle more or less, regardless of our stupidity at not at first, second or even third listening to her.
• All anyone need do is open their eyes and look around them to see we are drowning in evidence that Russia was not consecrated.  If you believe it was done as Heaven asked and Heaven was pleased then it stands to reason you must also then believe Our Holy Mother is deceitful when she speaks...offering promises she never delivered and we all know this is not possible nor right.  Mary does not deceive and when she promises she keeps her word.

[Alley]

Sue, have you ever looked at a picture of Sr Lucia prior to 1960?

Because the Sister Lucia that died in 2005 is Not the girl Lucia and

the Sister Lucia that Our Blessed Mother appeared to (1944 and prior).

Father Fuentes was given the last interview with Sr Lucia (the real one)

in 1957. Her message was a dire one, she said the message she wrote that

was given to the Pope was for the people and it should be released either

at her death or 1960.

After the interview with Father Fuentes Sr Lucia (not the real one)

miraculously reappeared with apparently a lot of plastic surgery and dental work.

[Sue K]

I toyed with that idea, but it didn't pan out with me. I read her books from Coimbra, including Calls from the Message of Fatima, only a holy person could have written that book (published 2000), I think.

I meant to include this in my note, this is the vision Sr. Lucia had in 1944:

Right after – says Sr. Lucia – ‘I felt my spirit flooded by a light-filled mystery which is God and in Him I saw and heard: the point of the flame-like lance which detaches, touches the axis of the earth and it [the earth] shakes: mountains, cities, towns and villages with their inhabitants are buried. The sea, rivers and clouds leave their bounds, they overflow, flood and drag with them into a whirlpool, houses and people in a number unable to be counted; it is the purification of the world from the sin it is immersed in. Hatred, ambition, cause detructive wars. Afterward I felt in the increased beating of my heart and in my spirit a quiet voice which said: ‘in time, one faith, one baptism, one Church, Holy, Catholic, Apostolic. Heaven in eternity!’ This word, ‘Heaven,’ filled my heart with peace and happiness, so much so that, almost without realizing it, I continued to repeat for some time: Heaven, Heaven!’
What is this but the coming of the Lord? 

[partial post redacted...not interested in feeding the faithful confusion and misdirection concerning the fact that RUSSIA HAS NOT BEEN CONSECRATED YET]  DM

I know we won't agree, but I would like to put this info out there.

[Alley]

Agreeing to disagree :)

[Sue K]

Yep, Matthew, you were right about the fracturing of the Trads. By the way, did you see Bshp. Fellay's message today? Pretty strong indication that there is no 'gradual' move forward. Fellay Interview with DICI Oct.3 

So far, those who stuck up for Bishop Fellay have won this one.

[Sue K]

 I  do think we are all in accord on the Traditions of the Church, dogma, etc., which is the essential matter.

[Dawn Marie]

We all knew that he would speak this way, it is essential to keep those who still think moving toward Rome is a bad idea in line.  This interview was called almost immediately :) because BPF has become somewhat predictable in his actions.  What he says in this interview he slammed BPW for saying the same thing only three years ago.  He must come out at this point sounding as Traditional as possible.

No, no one wins any of these rounds, but Tradition continues to suffer horribly.

Sue K said:

Yep, Matthew, you were right about the fracturing of the Trads. By the way, did you see Bshp. Fellay's message today? Pretty strong indication that there is no 'gradual' move forward. Fellay Interview with DICI Oct.3 

So far, those who stuck up for Bishop Fellay have won this one.

[Dawn Marie]

Also hope all will understand if I close this discussion at this point.  It's so derailed from the original post it's like a car that went off the road LOLOL.