Fellay and Müller discuss a “gradual” move towards full reconciliation

[Dawn Marie]

Fellay and Müller discuss a “gradual” move towards full reconciliation

The meeting between the Superior of the Fraternity of St. Pius X and the heads of the Ecclesia Dei Commission lasted two hours. The Secretary of the former Holy office, Luis Ladaria, was also present.

Their meeting lasted two hours, from 11a.m. to 1 p.m. CET. The Superior of the Fraternity of St. Pius X, Bishop Bernard Fellay and Cardinal Gerhard Ludwig Müller, Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith and President of the Pontifical Commission “Ecclesia Dei” (the body that handles relations between the Holy See’s and the Lefebvrians), discussed “problems of a doctrinal and canonical nature” which need to be resolved in order for the Fraternity to enter into full communion with the Roman Catholic Church.  This was the first time Fellay held a face to face meeting with Müller since the latter was appointed head of the doctrinal Congregation. The Holy See announced the meeting, which took place at the premises of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith.

 The Holy See’s press release informs that the talks were “cordial”. Müller was joined by archbishops Luis Ladaria and Augustine Di Noia, respectively secretary and adjunct secretary of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faithand Guido Pozzo, secretary of the Pontifical Commission “Ecclesia Dei”. Bishop Fellay was accompanied by two assistants from the Society of St. Pius X, Rev. Niklaus Pfluger and Rev. Alain-Marc Nély.

 “During the meeting,” the statement says, “various problems of a doctrinal and canonical nature were examined, and it was decided to proceed gradually and over a reasonable period of time in order to overcome difficulties and with a view to the envisioned full reconciliation.” This phrase is important as it indicates that communication channels between the Holy See and the Lefebvrians remain open. Some in the Vatican and in the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith called for a drastic decision to bring about a formal split between the two again. But Francis does not intend to close the door on dialogue with the Fraternity.

 Readers will recall that on 13 June 2012, the former Prefect of the Holy Office, Cardinal William Levada, had delivered a doctrinal preamble to Fellay to sign. However, four days later, the Lefebvrian superior wrote a letter to Benedict XVI informing him that he could not agree to the terms laid out in the document. Benedict XVI replied on 30 June 2012 communicating his disappointment and repeating his request to the Lefebvrians to recognize that “the magisterium is the authentic interpreter of the Tradition,” that the Second Vatican Council agrees with Tradition and that the Novus Ordo Missae, the post-conciliar liturgical reform promulgated by Paul VI, was not only valid but also legitimate.

http://vaticaninsider.lastampa.it/en/the-vatican/detail/articolo/fe...

[Alley]

Amen! Adrienne

The truth speaks for itself, and actions speak louder than words.

By their fruits you will know them etc.....

We must make a stand and choose God! Even if it means being alone.

It is not an easy thing David, to pray for those who would rather see you

dead than have any inkling of the truth. But Our Divine Lord did

just that on the cross.  And when we pray for God's Will for God's

intentions- when we ask Our lady (as Her slaves) to replace our sinful

hearts with Her Immaculate Heart we are praying for all our enemies.

We give all to Mary and let Her worry about specifics. She knows her own

and Her own knows Her.

My prayers are with us all-all who seek who wants God's will above all things.   

Dawn Marie said:

Exactly+

Adrienne said:

The simple ting here is that DM and many other sources have been telling us for OVER 2 years this was coming and that the SSPX was in a state of purging out the priests and Bishop dedicated not only to the founder, Ab.Lefebvre, but these ejected good clergy are keeping The Catholic Faith as handed down from Jesus to The Apostles to us. And now, the meat and potatoes here is that Bp Fellay and his ilk ARE, WITHOUT QUESTION, actually having a 'date' with the enemies of The True Church to take us back from the insanity of Vatican II.

That's it. Very simple. We (especially me) all need to pray more Rosaries fro The Consecration of Russia, as well, THAT THEY MAY SEE.

Fr Chazal said "WAR ON" quite a while ago. Here's where the Battle for souls is laid out in drawing the lines.

We need to pick a side now and decide where we stand.

I stand with The Resistance Priests, Sisters, Bishop Williamson, and others with them or at least holding onto The True Faith as well. That is it, my friend. Bp Felay doesn't care what we call him or them or us; he is just hell-bent on taking The SSPX down and away from The True Faith.

[Birgitta]

Amen!

Alley said:

Amen! Adrienne

The truth speaks for itself, and actions speak louder than words.

By their fruits you will know them etc.....

We must make a stand and choose God! Even if it means being alone.

It is not an easy thing David, to pray for those who would rather see you

dead than have any inkling of the truth. But Our Divine Lord did

just that on the cross.  And when we pray for God's Will for God's

intentions- when we ask Our lady (as Her slaves) to replace our sinful

hearts with Her Immaculate Heart we are praying for all our enemies.

We give all to Mary and let Her worry about specifics. She knows her own

and Her own knows Her.

My prayers are with us all-all who seek who wants God's will above all things.   

Dawn Marie said:

Exactly+

Adrienne said:

The simple ting here is that DM and many other sources have been telling us for OVER 2 years this was coming and that the SSPX was in a state of purging out the priests and Bishop dedicated not only to the founder, Ab.Lefebvre, but these ejected good clergy are keeping The Catholic Faith as handed down from Jesus to The Apostles to us. And now, the meat and potatoes here is that Bp Fellay and his ilk ARE, WITHOUT QUESTION, actually having a 'date' with the enemies of The True Church to take us back from the insanity of Vatican II.

That's it. Very simple. We (especially me) all need to pray more Rosaries fro The Consecration of Russia, as well, THAT THEY MAY SEE.

Fr Chazal said "WAR ON" quite a while ago. Here's where the Battle for souls is laid out in drawing the lines.

We need to pick a side now and decide where we stand.

I stand with The Resistance Priests, Sisters, Bishop Williamson, and others with them or at least holding onto The True Faith as well. That is it, my friend. Bp Felay doesn't care what we call him or them or us; he is just hell-bent on taking The SSPX down and away from The True Faith.

[Birgitta]

+F has as much chance of converting Rome from the inside as a caterpillar has of turning his cocoon into a coconut.

[Dawn Marie]

I feel for you Charles, sadly this is not good news for any of us, not good news for the whole of Tradition.

Charles Edward Woodbury said:

     This is not good news for me.-I'd considered the SSPX as my escape plan. The FSSP won't be untouched by the goings on...

Alley said:

It saddens me to say this but Rome WILL NOT be converted, you're right D, BP Fellay is on the road to perdition

and he may just take a good many with him. Hopefully now many will see things for what they really are.

And we can only hope and pray that finally the good Priests will see and choose wisely. 

"When all seems hopeless then the Immaculate Heart will Triumph!" In the meantime it is our mission to not give up

but to pray and watch and pray some more less we fall by the way side. My heart is very heavy right now.   

   
 
Dawn Marie said:

I wondered if I was being to subtle lol.

Frankly I'm torn between being very angry that Fellay is allowed to get away with this and yet on the other hand glad it has finally happened, that he is finally no longer hiding what he has been up to all along.

The men will be separated from the boys now.

[Dawn Marie]

That's not going to happen Matthew.  It would not "deflate" my expectations however if it did, I would be glad.  Unfortunately that is not a remote reality, the SSPX is in no danger of re-excommunication.

Matthew Joseph Michael Gendzwill said:

     Here's a thought:  The Society is re-"excommunicated" as a result of talking with them....  Wouldn't that just deflate everyones expectations.  If only it would be.  But that would be too easy.  

[Michael]

“The fight for the Faith will have to be fought by little groups refusing to enter into any structured or universal organizations. Within these various groups, such as a small school, a humble convent, a prayer group, a gathering of Christian families or the organizing of a pilgrimage, the authority is real and accepted by everybody… All that is needed is for each Catholic to reach as far as his grace and authority will carry him in the little sphere which is certainly his to lead, and which he will take charge of without having over him any grand administrative structures to make him do so’. “

Father Roger Calmel, O.P.  1970

[Michael]

"Simple honesty, therefore, but infinitely more the priestly honour, does not permit me to have the impudence to barter with the Catholic Mass, received on the day of my ordination.  Since we are treating here of being loyal, and above all of a matter of divine gravity, there is no authority in the world, even a pontifical authority, which can stop me.  On the other hand, the first proof of fidelity and love which the priest must give to God and to men is that of guarding intact the infinitely precious deposit which was entrusted to him when the Bishop imposed his hands upon him.  It is above all on this proof of fidelity and love that I will be judged by the supreme Judge.  I trust that the Virgin Mary, Mother of the High Priest, will obtain for me the grace to remain faithful to death to the Catholic Mass, true and without ambiguity.  Tuus sum ego, salvum me fac (I am all Thine, save me).”  Father Roger Calmel, O.P.

[Dawn Marie]

Yes indeed.  Things will probably happen very quickly now.  The cat is no longer in the bag so to speak about all this, it's now out in the open.

Heaven help us+

Veronica M. Jensen said:

Dawn Marie I totally agree with you.  Nothing good can come from any discussion with Rome.  The only thing that I can see developing in Rome is full apostasy and given a very short amount of time they will pull it off and I'll wager within the next couple of months.  Francis has vented his spleen against tradition every way that he can and I think he would be glad to go even further than that.  In addition, Muller already said what he thought of the SSPX , its bishops priests and faithful.  

Dawn Marie said:

ROFLLLLL

Just wonderin...anyone doing a happy dance over this?   Frankly I think its kind of poetic justice for all those who said this was a lie and would not happen [for the last two years].  *Hate to say I told ya so...well actually I don't hate to say it ;)

Enjoy your new SSPX under the heretic Mueller and Francis the destroyer. 

[Dawn Marie]

Again a timely of our founder:

[Dawn Marie]

"Let us not set foot in the opposing camp, because we would thus be giving the enemy a proof of our weakness, which the enemy would try to interpret as a sign of weakness and complicity!"
"Attempting to reconcile our Faith with the modern mentality leads not only to weakening of that Faith, but to its total destruction!!!"
Pope St. Pius X

[Furlan]

Bizarre ce cardinal avec ces deux créatures...

[David Kaftal]

Vraiment.

Furlan said:

Bizarre ce cardinal avec ces deux créatures...