"Pope Francis's Traditionalists"... ??

[David Kaftal]

www.catholicherald.co.uk/issues/february-10th-2017/pope-franciss-tr...

The above link goes to yet another article about the apparently soon to be consummated union of Menzingen and Rome. Besides the quirky title of the article, there are a couple of things in it I hadn't heard before. Here is one:

"Then, last week, just as mainstream traditionalist rage with Pope Francis was boiling over, Fellay and the Vatican let it be known that they were close to agreement on the personal prelature.

How close? Rome is even pencilling in dates: May 13, the centenary of the Fatima apparitions..."

On the other hand, the article goes on to say:

“Francis saw us as outsiders, and he likes identifying with the fringe,” says the SSPX source. “That’s why he’s more friendly to us than he is to traditionalists under his control, whom he pushes around mercilessly. Look at what happened to those Franciscans.”

He is referring to the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate, whom Francis banned from using the Extraordinary Form and whose seminary he closed after an internal dispute. Mainstream traditionalists have been warning the SSPX that the same thing could happen to them if they submit to the Pope – and now they can also point to the Holy See’s ruthless treatment of the Order of Malta.

That coup d’état has undoubtedly spooked the SSPX: the threat to their independence and their valuable real estate worries them more than Amoris Laetitia, which they will simply ignore.

Fellay has told friends that he is very troubled by what happened to the Order of Malta. It may yet scare him off. Also, members of the SSPX are saying quietly to each other that, just at the moment, they have the best of both worlds."

 

[Dawn Marie]

He's not troubled at all. On January 17th he and the Mother superior of the SSPX went to Rome and stayed with Francis in Francis' abode at Santa Martha for 3 days.  You only bring the Mother superior as a last move before the agreement is solidified. Fellay in three different interviews last week repeatedly called Francis a good man, a good pope etc. 

Let that sink in, he spent 3 days with Francis.  Not just a brief meeting but a 3 day stay at his residence.

While the rest of the world is waking up to the fact that Francis is a heretic and no Catholic, Fellay spends 3 days with him and calls him good.

Evil...just evil.

At the moment I can not find the article but here was the title:

Francis:  "When I see a place with a large amounts of vocations I worry"

This is a good?

The list of all of Francis demonic anti Catholic ravings and actions are to numerous to post, but Bp. Fellay calls him good.

uhh ok

[Bill]

ROME, February 9, 2017 (LifeSiteNews) — Pope Francis has stated that the rise of new religious institutes that attract numerous religious vocations “worries” him because they often promote “rigidity.” Francis denounced new traditional religious orders as “Pelagians,” who want a return to asceticism and penance.

In an obvious reference to the Legionaries of Christ, he called young people in traditional orders “soldiers who seem ready to do anything for the defense of faith and morality, and then some scandal emerges involving the founder [male or female].”

“So, do not put hope in the sudden, mass blooming of these Institutes,” he added.

“When they tell me that there is a congregation that draws so many vocations, I must confess that I worry,” he said during the closed-door meeting with 140 Superiors General of male religious orders and congregations that took place November 25. The transcript of the unscheduled Q&A was published this week by the leading Italian newspaper Corriere della Sera.

Asked about how to fire the hearts of young people for the cause of the Gospel, the pope turned his focus to the training of “seminarians and future priests.”

Francis said that in priests’ training the “logic of black and white” that “can lead to abstract casuistry” must be avoided.

“Discernment, meanwhile, means moving forward through the gray of life according to the will of God. And the will of God is to be sought according to the true doctrine of the Gospel and not in the rigidity of an abstract doctrine,” he said.

Asked what should be done about the plummeting number of vocations to the priesthood, the pope said that while the decline “worries me” he is also worried about the rise of new traditional religious orders.

“Some are, I might say, ‘restorationist’: they seem to offer security but instead give only rigidity,” he said.

“When they tell me that there is a Congregation that draws so many vocations, I must confess that I worry. The Spirit does not follow the logic of human success: it works in another way. But they tell me that there are so many young people prepared to do anything, who pray a great deal, who are truly faithful. And I say to myself: ‘Wonderful: we will see if it is the Lord!’.”

Traditional orders do not simply worry Pope Francis. Within months of becoming pope in March 2013, Francis moved quickly to utterly dismantle the flourishing Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate. The order, which encouraged the Latin Mass, was one of the most faithful of all of the new Catholic religious orders, especially in regard to their pro-life commitment. The move stunned faithful Catholics.

In 2015 the pope warned bishops against ordaining “traditionalist” seminarians, stating that doing so was like placing a “mortgage on the Church.”

In 2012 under Benedict XVI, the Vatican was in the process of reforming the umbrella group of American nuns and sisters for their “secularist mentality [and] ‘feminist’ spirit.” After Francis took over the reigns of the Church, that process concluded by offering the nuns’ group a “positive message.”

[Dawn Marie]

Thank you Bill, I had it but lost the article and couldn't remember where I saw it.

You're the best!

[Bill]

:) although rumors of my bestness have been greatly exaggerated

[Dawn Marie]

teeeheeee

Bill said:

:) although rumors of my bestness have been greatly exaggerated

[Alley]

lol :)

Dawn Marie said:

teeeheeee

Bill said:

:) although rumors of my bestness have been greatly exaggerated