For those seeing him wear some traditional vestments and for those who say PP. Leo says the TLM may I just put this out there....so did all the bishops, cardinals, priests and pope (s) during the Arian heresy. According to St. Athanasius they were still not Catholic and he warned people to not go to their Masses or even to not go to the Masses of bishops who were in dialogue with the heretics.
[Controversy over Arianism arose in the late 3rd century and persisted throughout most of the 4th century. It involved most church members—from simple believers, priests, and monks to bishops, emperors, and members of Rome's imperial family. Two Roman emperors, Constantius II and Valens, became Arians or semi-Arians, as did prominent Gothic, Vandal, and Lombard warlords both before and after the fall of the Western Roman Empire. The antipopes Felix II[21] and Ursinus[f] were Arian, and Pope Liberius was forced to sign the Arian Creed of Sirmium of 357—though the letter says he willingly agreed with Arianism.[22][23][24][25] Such a deep controversy within the early Church during this period could not have materialized without significant historical influences providing a basis for the Arian doctrines.[26]
An imagined portrait of Arius. Detail of a Cretan School icon, c. 1591, depicting the First Council of Nicaea
Arius had been a pupil of Lucian of Antioch at Lucian's private academy in Antioch and inherited from him a modified form of the teachings of Paul of Samosata.[27] Arius taught that God the Father and the Son of God did not always exist together eternally]
This man's ultimate desire (it is one of the few things he is passionate about) is to implement the synodal church to replace the Catholic Church. For those who have eyes to see he says so in his initial speech.
He is a canon lawyer and he chooses his words carefully. He was the catalyst in throwing out the conservative Bp. Strickland while also being the catalyst in elevating the deviant Mcelroy to a prominent position.
He was in essence Bergoglio's right hand man. He is the one Bergoglio wanted to replace him when he died and he set up the voting in the conclave to achieve this by making sure there were more than 2/3 those who would vote him in.
In PP. Leo's speech he thanked FRANCIS but he did not thank Our Lord. This is very telling and concerning.
For those who are tempted to believe maybe PP. Leo is good, please let me point out that while he is saying the TLM and wearing the traditional vestments with his right hand he will finish the job Bergoglio started in tearing down the Catholic Church and raising up the synodal church with his left.
He will do these things while speaking things people want to hear (and they want to hear Catholic things rightly so), he will do these things (building his beloved synodal church) while wearing trad garb and saying the TLM. IT WILL NOT MAKE HIM AN UN-HERETIC when he does so.
That is to say IF God even gives him the chance to do so.
I don't say these things to be a downer but to ask souls to be cautious. PP. Leo is one who can be characterized as disarming. In this case this is not a charming quality but quite possibly one that gets Catholics to lay down their arms without any resistance whatsoever.
Lastly NO ONE absolutely NO ONE has even considered whether PP. Leo would even entertain the thought of consecrating Russia. If we are to consider his undying loyalty to Francis we can at least venture to guess that the answer he would make would be no as he would say Francis already did so.
Pray your rosary, ask Our Lady and Our Lord Jesus Christ to guide you/us through this mess the Church is currently in and pray for PP. Leo.
The office of the Pope can change a man it is true but please do not disregard all else that he wills to do in tearing down the Catholic Church for this alone. His future acts/actions are what must be carefully considered.
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I guess he changed his mind in light of PP. Leo's address to the cardinals.
Veronica said:
Father Kramer says it's too early to judge... that Pope Leo seems to have the faith and really could end up like Pius IX:
Oh I see... I mustn't have caught what he said earlier on....
Dawn Marie said:
I guess he changed his mind in light of PP. Leo's address to the cardinals.
Veronica said:Father Kramer says it's too early to judge... that Pope Leo seems to have the faith and really could end up like Pius IX:
Sorry, Dawn Marie I didn't see that post by Father Kramer.... So does Father Kramer regard Leo XIV as a heretic? I'm a bit confused... This seems contradictory.
So does Father Kramer believe Prevost is a heretic? Did he write the entire quote? I heard something from about 48 hours ago...
Dawn Marie said:
From Father Paul Kramer :+"""""""Rome will lose the faith and become the seat of the Antichrist." - Message of La Salette.+JESUS CHRIST SPEAKS ON INCLUSIVITY: He brings a sword of separation -- separating the sheep from the goats. Luke 12: 51 "Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation."+Matthew Chapter 10: 34 “Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35 For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. 36 And a person's enemies will be those of his own household."+PREVOST - THE ADVERSARY OF CHRISTPrevost wants to bring "peace" by means of "inclusivity" -- by means of "synodality", and of "collegiality" and "dialogue" -- all of which set him in direct opposition to Christ. We cannot "include" and "dialogue" with everything and everyone who refuses to renounce and reject what we renounced and rejected by our baptismal vows. Synodal Inclusionism is a repeat of the ancient heresy that led the ancient Israelites to defect from the true religion by including pagan rites and mixing paganism with the religion of Moses and the prophets. Dialogue and inclusion have brought about the defection of Rome from the Catholic faith as was foretold by the ancient Fathers, quoted by Cardinal Henry Edward Manning in 1861. Prevost's wholehearted endorsement of the Bergoglian agenda yesterday in his message to the cardinals reveals what he really is -- a HERETIC. He has not ticked individually all the boxes on the Bergoglian agenda one by one, but most importantly, he ticked the last one -- the one that says "ALL OF THE ABOVE".The difference between Bergoglio and Prevost is that Prevost wears a more convincing Catholic mask, but his agenda is the same as Bergoglio's: "To Deceive even the Elect." - Matt. 24:24
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Veronica said:
Sorry, Dawn Marie I didn't see that post by Father Kramer.... So does Father Kramer regard Leo XIV as a heretic? I'm a bit confused... This seems contradictory.
I realise Father Kramer is saying Prevost is a heretic.... how disappointing!
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