On the Validity of the Pontificate of Pope Francis by Bishop Schneider

On the Validity of the Pontificate of Pope Francis by Bishop Schneider

"The surer Catholic tradition says, that in the case of a heretical pope, the members of the Church can avoid him, resist him, refuse to obey him, all of which can be done without requiring a theory or opinion, that says that a heretical pope automatically loses his office or can be deposed consequently."

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Responding to the Diocese of Rome's move to clear Fr. Rupnik's name, former Nuncio Abp. Viganò writes:

"What is the lesson to be learnt by the faithful? It is clear: if you are a heretic, corrupt, pervert, thief, sacrilegious and serial predator but you are Bergoglio's friend, you enjoy total impunity. If you are Catholic, live consistently with the Faith and do not follow the Argentine tyrant, persecution is certain, cruel and merciless.

By now it is clear that the Bergoglian court does not serve the Church of Christ, but has embedded itself in it like a tumour to usurp its authority and destroy it from within."

https://twitter.com/CarloMVigano/status/1704076776706654631

On the Validity of the Pontificate of Pope Francis

By:   + Athanasius Schneider
On the Validity of the Pontificate of Pope Francis

There is no authority to declare or consider an elected and generally accepted Pope as an invalid Pope. The constant practice of the Church makes it evident that even in the case of an invalid election this invalid election will be de facto healed through the general acceptance of the new elected by the overwhelming majority of the cardinals and bishops.

Even in the case of a heretical pope he will not lose his office automatically and there is no body within the Church to declare him deposed because of heresy. Such actions would come close to a kind of a heresy of conciliarism or episcopalism. The heresy of conciliarism or episcopalism says basically that there is a body within the Church (Ecumenical Council, Synod, College of Cardinals, College of Bishops), which can issue a legally binding judgment over the Pope.

The theory of the automatic loss of the papacy due to heresy remains only an opinion, and even St. Robert Bellarmin noticed this and did not present it as a teaching of the Magisterium itself. The perennial papal Magisterium never taught such an option. In 1917, when the Code of Canon Law (Codex Iuris Canonici) came into force, the Magisterium of the Church eliminated from the new legislation the remark of the Decretum Gratiani in the old Corpus Iuris Canonici, which stated, that a Pope, who deviates from right doctrine, can be deposed. Never in history the Magisterium of the Church did admit any canonical procedures of deposition of a heretical pope. The Church has no power over the pope formally or judicially.

The surer Catholic tradition says, that in the case of a heretical pope, the members of the Church can avoid him, resist him, refuse to obey him, all of which can be done without requiring a theory or opinion, that says that a heretical pope automatically loses his office or can be deposed consequently.

 

Therefore being it so, we must follow the surer way (via tutior) and abstain from defending the merely opinion of theologians (even be them Saints like St. Robert Bellarmin), which says that a heretical pope automatically loses his office or can be deposed by the Church therefore.

The pope cannot commit heresy when he speaks ex cathedra, this is a dogma of faith. In his teaching outside of ex cathedra statements, however, he can commit doctrinal ambiguities, errors and even heresies. And since the pope is not identical with the entire Church, the Church is stronger than a singular erring or heretical Pope. In such a case one should respectfully correct him (avoiding purely human anger and disrespectful language), resist him as one would resist a bad father of a family. Yet, the members of a family cannot declare their evil father deposed from the fatherhood. They can correct him, refuse to obey him, separate themselves from him, but they cannot declare him deposed.

Since the case of a heretical pope is humanly irresolvable, we must implore with supernatural faith a Divine intervention, because that singular erring Pope is not eternal, but temporal, and the Church is not in our hands, but in the almighty hands of God.

Good Catholics know the truth and must proclaim it, offer reparation for the errors of an erring Pope. Since the case of a heretical pope is humanly irresolvable, we must implore with supernatural faith a Divine intervention, because that singular erring Pope is not eternal, but temporal, and the Church is not in our hands, but in the almighty hands of God.

We must have enough supernatural faith, trust, humility, spirit of the Cross in order to endure such an extraordinary trial. In such relatively short situations (in comparison to 2000 years) we must not yield to a too human reaction and to an easy solution (declaring the invalidity of his pontificate), but must keep sobriety (keep a cool head) and at the same time a true supernatural view and trust in Divine intervention and in the indestructibility of the Church.

+ Athanasius Schneider

On the Validity of the Pontificate of Pope Francis By: + Athanasius...

If Father Kramer is willing to tackle this so that it is clear this will definitely be brought up.

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Political positioning with Bishop Schneider and Fernandez saying that traditional groups cannot judge.

"[Fernandez:] When we speak of obedience to the magisterium, this is understood in at least two senses, which are inseparable and equally important. One is the more static sense, of a “deposit of faith,” which we must guard and preserve unscathed. But on the other hand, there is a particular charism for this safeguarding, a unique charism, which the Lord has given only to Peter and his successors.

In this case, we are not talking about a deposit, but about a living and active gift, which is at work in the person of the Holy Father. I do not have this charism, nor do you, nor does Cardinal Burke. Today only Pope Francis has it. [sic] Now, if you tell me that some bishops have a special gift of the Holy Spirit to judge the doctrine of the Holy Father, we will enter into a vicious circle (where anyone can claim to have the true doctrine) and that would be heresy and schism. Remember that heretics always think they know the true doctrine of the Church. Unfortunately, today, not only do some progressives fall into this error but also, paradoxically, do some traditionalist groups."

Dawn Marie said:

If Father Kramer is willing to tackle this so that it is clear this will definitely be brought up.

Bergoglio posted: 'Come un fiume è fonte di vita per l’ambiente che lo circonda, così la nostra Chiesa sinodale dev’essere fonte di vita per la casa comune e per tutti coloro che vi abitano'.
Translated
Just as a river is a source of life for the environment that surrounds it, so our synodal Church must be a source of life for the common home and for all those who live there.
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Ab. Vigano replies:

"If Bergoglio declares himself head of a 'synodal church' (which he calls 'ours'), who is the head of Christ's Church? Can the head of a sect be the head of the Catholic Church at the same time?"

In light of this quote concerning the synod, look at what Fernandez says, he names Cdl Burke by name.  This is significant as he is pointing to whom they feel is their biggest threat to their plans and he then dismisses him, just as Schneider dismisses Saint Robert Bellarmin.  They both elevate Bergoglio as a demigod and if you do not follow him down this path to further ruin, you are the heretic and schismatic.  This is setting up "the  other", traditional Catholics,  that will be subject to threats of suppression and/or excommunication.  Abp. Vigano correctly asks who is the head of the Catholic Church and correctly sees the "synodal church" as a sect?  After the October synod of modernism, look for more suppression of traditional religious orders, bishops, and cardinals.  The ones that are not suppressed could very well be controlled opposition to herd people into groups that Bergoglio ultimately controls.  It's human politics, pure and simple.  

"In this case, we are not talking about a deposit, but about a living and active gift, which is at work in the person of the Holy Father. I do not have this charism, nor do you, nor does Cardinal Burke. Today only Pope Francis has it. [sic] Now, if you tell me that some bishops have a special gift of the Holy Spirit to judge the doctrine of the Holy Father, we will enter into a vicious circle (where anyone can claim to have the true doctrine) and that would be heresy and schism.

Dawn Marie said:

Bergoglio posted: 'Come un fiume è fonte di vita per l’ambiente che lo circonda, così la nostra Chiesa sinodale dev’essere fonte di vita per la casa comune e per tutti coloro che vi abitano'.
Translated
Just as a river is a source of life for the environment that surrounds it, so our synodal Church must be a source of life for the common home and for all those who live there.
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Ab. Vigano replies:

"If Bergoglio declares himself head of a 'synodal church' (which he calls 'ours'), who is the head of Christ's Church? Can the head of a sect be the head of the Catholic Church at the same time?"

100% @ Michael

Father Paul Kramer:

BISHOP ATHANASIUS SCHNEIDER TEACHES AGAINST CATHOLIC DOCTRINE

Bishop Athanasius Schneider has again professed his opinion against Catholic Doctrine that a pope does not lose office even if he is a heretic. Bishop Schneider's comments are at the very least proximate to heresy. ALL PUBLIC HERETICS ARE OUTSIDE THE CHURCH (de fide). Pope Innocent III taught in his authentic magisterium that a pope who "withers away into heresy" can be judged and deposed. John of St. Thomas notes that it has been unanimously taught by theologians that a heretical pope can be judged and removed; and the only dispute regards whether the pope loses office automatically or upon pronouncement of judgment, or upon decree of deposition. In 1895, Sydney Smith SJ stated that automatic loss of office for heresy was unanimously taught by theologians, which therefore qualifies the doctrine as a truth of divine and catholic faith, pertaining definitively to the ordinary and universal magisterium. I HAVE EXHAUSTIVELY DEMONSTRATED THIS POINT WITH FULL DOCUMENTATION IN MY TWO VOLUME WORK.

https://www.amazon.com/true-false-pope-against-Bergoglio/dp/1945658...

Well, there you have it.  Bp. Schneider looks like controlled opposition.

Dearest God grant us wisdom!

Just wait until the SINod begins and then concludes. There will be a schism and Bergoglio will cause it.

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