Part I 
 
 WHAT WILL HELL BE LIKE?
 St. Alphonsus Liguori
 
 Where Is Hell Located?
 
 The question as to the place where Hell is situated has been a matter
 of conjecture among the Fathers of the Church and theologians. St.
 John Chrysostom, for instance, was of the opinion that it is situated
 outside the bounds of this universe. More commonly and with more
 reason, other theologians think that Hell is situated within the
 earth itself. Some have even gone so far as to declare that it is
 near the furgace of the globe, basing their opinion, rather quaintly,
 upon the existence of many volcanic mountains such as Vesuvius, the
 Volcanic Isles, Mt. Etna and others.
 
 Catholic Teaching
 
 Aside from these debatable opinions, a group of heretics known as the
 Ubiquitists maintained that Hell is not restricted to any determined
 place, but is to be found everywhere, since God has not destined any
 special place for the damned. This opinion, however, is evidently
 false, and contrary to the common belief of the Catholic Church which
 teaches us that God has established a definite place for the demons
 and the reprobate, as is evident from several texts of Sacred
 Scripture. St. Jerome deduces this specifically from a passage in the
 book of Numbers (Num. 16:31-33). Here is described the fate of Dathan
 and Abiron who were precipitated into Hell, falling into a chasm
 which opened under their very feet. At the same time a great flame
 burst from the earth and killed two hundred and fifty men who were
 accomplices in their sin. Moreover, in many passages of Sacred
 Scripture, the word "descend" is used in reference to Hell,
 indicating that Hell is situated in the bowels of the earth.
 
 Hell Is a Definite Place
 
 This assertion is confirmed by a passage of St. Luke (16:22): "But
 the rich man also died and was buried in hell." The sacred text
 employs the word "buried," because burials are made within the earth.
 Moreover, the rich man himself describes Hell as a "place of torment"
 (Lk. 16:28), confirming the opinion that Hell is a determined and
 definite place. In another place it is called a "lake"; "Thou hast
 saved me from those descending into the lake" (Ps. 29:3); and
 elsewhere, a pool: "And the devil who deceived them was cast into the
 pool of fire and brimstone." (Apoc. 20:9). It is evident, therefore,
 that Hell is a determined place, and most probably situated within
 the earth. But as to where, precisely, it is situated, whether at the
 very center of the earth or nearer to the surface, cannot be
 determined from any revealed document. St. Thomas also declared that
 the dimensions of Hell, which will be the dwelling place of the
 damned after the resurrection, cannot be determined.
 
 Pains of Hell
 
 Let us now treat of the pains of Hell, and first of all, of that of
 sense. St. Thomas proves that the fire of Hell is a corporeal and
 material fire, though for the most part he does not write of the fire
 which torments the souls separated from their bodies, but of that
 which the damned are to endure after their corporeal resurrection.
 Many heretics have maintained that the fire of Hell is not material,
 but only metaphorical or imaginary fire. There are numerous texts in
 Sacred Scripture, however, which demonstrate that the fire of Hell is
 a true, material and corporeal fire. We read, for instance, in the
 book of Deuteronomy: "A fire is kindled in my wrath, and shall burn
 even to the lowest hell." (Deut. 32:22). And in the book of Job: "A
 fire that is not kindled shall devour him" (Job 20:26), revealing
 that this fire of Hell needs not to be nourished, but, once enkindled
 by God, burns eternally. There are a number of passages in the book of
 Isaias referring to this fire of Hell: "Which of you can dwell with
 devouring fire? which of you shall dwell with everlasting burnings?"
 (33:14); "Their worm shall not die, and their fire shall not be
 quenched, and they shall be a loathsome sight to all flesh." (66:24).
 "He will give fire, and worms into their flesh, that they may burn,
 and may feel forever." (Judith 16:21).
 
 Fire of Hell
 
 In the parable of the Gospel, the rich man buried in Hell cries out
 to Lazarus, "I am tormented in this flame." (Lk. 16:24). He says, "in
 this flame," to show that the fire of Hell is a fire of a particular
 type, a fire prepared expressly to avenge the injuries which sin has
 done to God by carnal pleasures. For, as the book of Ecclesiasticus
 remarks, "the vengeance on the flesh of the ungodly is fire and
 worms." (Eccl. 7:19). Hence, St. Thomas argues that this fire will be
 the instrument of the avenging justice of Almighty God.
 
 to be continued . . .
 
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Part II 
 
 WHAT WILL HELL BE LIKE?
 St. Alphonsus Liguori
 
 Punishment by Cold
 
 In this same fire, St. Thomas remarks, the bodies of the damned, in
 addition to the intense heat, will endure bitter cold, passing from
 one to the other, without knowing a moment of relief. Thus do
 Scripture scholars explain the passage of the book of Job: "Let him
 pass from the snow water to excessive heat, and his sin even to
 hell." (Job 24:19). Hence, St. Jerome says, the damned in Hell endure
 all their torments in this one fire.
 
 Remorse of Conscience
 
 In addition to their sufferings from the heat and the cold of the
 fire of Hell, Sacred Scripture enumerates a number of other torments
 which will afflict the damned. One of these is the "worm," to which
 the Scriptures refer frequently. Some commentators have explained
 this "worm" as a material thing, which will feed upon, without
 consuming, the flesh of the damned. But most theologians explain it
 metaphorically as the remorse of conscience which will afflict the
 damned in the fire and darkness of Hell. Forever will they have
 imprinted on their memories the results of their sins; forever will
 they repeat the words ascribed to them in the book of Wisdom: "We
 have erred from the way of truth, we wearied ourselves in the way of
 iniquity and destruction and have walked through hard ways. What hath
 pride profited us? or what advantage hath the boasting of riches
 brought us? . . . Such things as these the sinners said in hell."
 (Wis. 5:6-14).
 
 Teaching of St. Thomas
 
 St. Thomas describes for us perfectly in what will consist the
 happiness of the elect and the torment of the reprobate. Insofar as
 his intellect is concerned, the Saint remarks, man will find complete
 joy in the vision of God; but, insofar as his affections are
 concerned, he will find complete satisfaction in the permanent union
 of his will with the infinite goodness of God. On the other hand, the
 torment of the damned will consist in being deprived of all divine
 light in his intellect, and in finding his affections obstinately
 turned away from the Divine Goodness. Elsewhere the saintly Doctor
 teaches that, though the punishment of the fire will be more
 terrifying, this separation from God is, however, a greater torment
 that that of the fire. 
 
 God Makes Heaven
 
 In short, it is God who will be our paradise, for He embraces all
 goods in Himself, as He Himself once declared to Moses: "I will show
 thee all good." (Ex. 33:19). Such was also the promise which He made
 to Abraham because of his merits: "Fear not, Abram, I am thy
 protector, and thy reward exceedingly great." (Gen. 15:1). And what
 greater reward can He promise than Himself, who is the one good
 embracing all other goods?
 
 God Makes Hell
 
 It is also God who will make Hell, for, as St. Bernard remarks, He
 Himself will be the chastisement of the damned. For just as the elect
 will be supremely happy because God is for him, and he is for God, so
 also will the reprobate be unhappy, because God is no longer for him,
 and he is no longer for God. Let us listen to the threat which God
 made against those who refused to belong to Him during this life:
 "Call his name, Not my people'; for you are not my people, and I will
 not be yours." (Osee 1:9). It is in this, then, that the torment of
 the damned will consist; it consists in the first sentence which
 Jesus Christ will pronounce over His enemies; "Depart from me into
 everlasting fire." This eternal separation will constitute Hell for
 the damned.
 
 Eternal Choice is Made During Life
 
 For the present, sinners, blinded by the apparent goods of this
 earth, choose to live far from God and to turn their backs upon Him.
 And should God, who cannot dwell with sin, wish to enter into their
 hearts by expelling sin from them, they are not ashamed to repel Him,
 exclaiming: "Depart from us, we desire not the knowledge of thy ways."
 (Job 21:14). Depart from us, we do not wish to follow Your ways, but
 our own, our passions, our pleasures. The great multitude of those,
 says Sacred Scripture, "who sleep in the dust of the earth, shall
 awake, some unto life everlasting, and others unto reproach, to see
 it always?' (Dan. 12:2). Yes, these unfortunates now sleep in the
 dust of their blindness; but, in the other life, unfortunately for
 them, they will awaken and realize the immense good which they have
 lost in voluntarily losing God.
 
 Greatest Pain of Hell
 
 The sword which shall pierce them with the greatest sorrow will be
 the thought of having lost God, and of having lost Him through their
 own fault. Unfortunates that they are! They now seek to lose sight of
 God, but once fallen into Hell, they will no longer be able to cease
 thinking of Him, and in this will their chastisement consist.
 
 St. Augustine says that in Hell, the damned will be forced to think
 of nothing but God, and that will cause them terrible torment. And
 St. Bonaventure, expressing the same sentiments, says that no thought
 will torment the damned more than the thought of God. The Lord will
 grant to them such a vivid knowledge of their offended God, His
 goodness so unworthily spurned, and consequently, of the chastisement
 which their crimes have merited, that this knowledge will cause them a
 suffering greater than that of all the other punishments of Hell.
 
 We read in the book of Ezechiel: "Over the heads of the living
 creatures was the likeness of the firmament, as the appearance of
 crystal terrible to behold, and stretch out over their heads above."
 (1:22). Explaining these words, one author says that the damned will
 have continually before their eyes a terrible crystal or mirror: with
 the assistance of some fatal light, they will behold, on one hand, the
 immense good which they have lost in voluntarily losing divine grace,
 and, on the other, they will view the justly wrathful face of God;
 and this torment will surpass by a million times all the other
 punishments of Hell.
 
 On this same subject, the author Cajetan makes the following
 reflection upon the works of David: "The wicked shall be turned into
 hell, all the nations that forget God." (Ps. 9:18). The Prophet, says
 this author, does not here speak of a change of heart, or conversion,
 but of the spirit of sinners. For just as sinners do not wish to
 think of God during this life, that they might not be forced --
 despite themselves and by a just chastisement -- to think
 continuously of God in Hell. They would wish to shut out all
 remembrance of God from their minds, but they will be forced to think
 always of Him, thus recalling all the benefits which they have
 received from Him, as well as the offenses which they have committed
 against Him and by which they have been separated from Him for all
 eternity.
 
 to be continued . . . 
 
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 Part III 
 
 WHAT WILL HELL BE LIKE?
 St. Alphonsus Liguori
 
 The Damned Do Not Forget
 
 Let us now consider briefly the condition of the intellect of the
 damned in Hell. St. Thomas says that the damned will be able to
 remember all the subjects of natural knowledge which they acquired
 here on earth, for this acquired knowledge will remain in their souls
 after death. This is evident from Sacred Scripture as well, from the
 response of Abraham to the rich man buried in Hell: "Son, remember
 that thou didst receive good things in thy lifetime." (Lk. 16:25).
 This, then, is the conclusion of the Angelic Doctor: Just as in the
 elect there will be nothing that is not a subject of happiness to
 them, so also in the damned there will be nothing which will not be a
 subject of torment to them. Hence, the damned will preserve in their
 memories the things which they knew here on earth, not, it is true,
 for their consolation, but solely to increase their torment.
 Moreover, during this life the soul is frequently prevented from
 considering thoughts which would be disagreeable to it, because of
 corporeal sufferings and anxieties; but in Hell the soul will no
 longer be subject to this influence of the body. Hence, in Hell the
 soul will no longer be prevented from considering those things which
 can be a cause of torture to it. Likewise, in Hell the soul of a man
 will have constantly in its memory of all the divine appeals made to
 it during life, as well as the number of sins which he committed,
 each of which will procure for him a new Hell.
 
 The Damned Know Nothing About Us
 
 Moreover, says Estius, just as God will procure the satisfaction of
 the blessed by making them know what concerns us, and especially that
 which concerns them in a special manner, such as our prayers addressed
 to them, on the other hand the damned will remain ignorant of all that
 concerns us, because they are complete strangers to the Church.
 
 Do the Damned Have Faith?
 
 It might be asked whether those Christians who possessed faith in
 this life, and who have not lost it by apostasy or heresy, will
 preserve it in Hell. St. Thomas responds in the negative, for in
 order to believe with a supernatural and theological faith, one must
 hold with a pious affection of the will to God the revealer. This
 pious affection, however, is a gift of God, of which He deprives them
 as well as the demons. They do, however, believe by a sort of natural
 faith, to which they are forced by the evidence of external signs,
 though this faith is not supernatural. It is in this sense that St.
 James has written that "The devils also believe and tremble" (James
 2:19), signifying that their faith is forced and fearful.
 
 Will the damned ever see or behold the glory of the Blessed? St.
 Thomas answers that at the Last Judgment the reprobate will see the
 blessed in their glory, without being able to distinguish in what it
 consists, solely realizing that they are enjoying an inexplicable
 glory. This sight will afflict them with great sorrow, either because
 of a feeling of envy, or because of regret at having lost that which
 they themselves could have acquired. And for their eternal
 chastisement, this shadow of the beatific vision which they have
 beheld will remain imprinted in their memory forever. 
 
 The Will is Set on Evil
 
 Let us now discuss the condition of the will of the damned. St.
 Thomas remarks that the will of the damned, insofar as it is a
 natural faculty, cannot but be good, since it does not proceed from
 themselves but from God, who is the Author of nature; the damned
 have, however, vitiated it by their malice. But when we consider the
 will of the damned in its use, it cannot but be evil, for it is
 completely opposed to the will of God and obstinate in evil.
 
 But whence does this obstinacy in evil proceed? Sylvius, in a very
 clear explanation, says that the obstinacy of the damned results from
 the nature itself of their state. For, since the damned now find
 themselves at the terminus of their existence and deprived of all
 divine assistance, God, by a just judgment, abandons them to the evil
 which they have voluntarily chosen and in which they have wished to
 end their life. It is natural for everything, once it has reached its
 terminus, to rest in it, unless it be moved by some external power.
 Now, the damned have terminated their lives with the depraved will in
 which they have died, and God has resolved to leave them to the evil
 which they have chosen. Just as the blessed can never possess an evil
 will, because they are always united to God, in like manner the damned
 can never turn their will to good, and consequently will always be
 unhappy, because they are obstinately and irrevocably opposed to the
 divine will. 
 
 Do the Damned Wish Evil to Others?
 
 Because of this evil will of the damned, the question might be asked:
 'Do the damned wish that all men be damned?' St. Thomas responds in
 the affirmative, because of the hatred which the reprobate bear to
 all men. But here a difficulty presents itself. As the number of the
 damned increases, the punishment of each individual is aggravated:
 how, then, can they desire an increase of torment for themselves? St.
 Thomas says that such is their hatred and envy that they would prefer
 to suffer more cruelly with many others than to suffer less alone.
 And it matters little to them that among those whose loss they desire
 are some whom they loved dearly during life. For the Holy Doctor
 remarks that all affection which is not based upon love of God
 vanishes easily; other wise, the order of justice and right would be
 reversed in Hell.
 
 Do the Damned Repent of Sin?
 
 It might also be asked whether the damned repent of their sins. St.
 Thomas answers that a man can repent of his faults in two ways:
 directly or indirectly. He can repent directly insofar as he repents
 by a sentiment of hatred for the sin committed; in this sense, the
 damned cannot repent of his sin, for since he finds himself confirmed
 in his perverse will, he loves the malice of his fault. But he can
 repent indirectly, insofar as he detests his punishment, of which his
 sin is the cause. Thus the damned will their sin, insofar as its
 malice is concerned, but detest its punishment, which, nevertheless,
 can never cease because their sin endures forever.
 
 Hatred of God
 
 Do the damned hate God? St. Thomas says that God, considered in
 Himself, is the Supreme Good, and therefore cannot be an object of
 hatred for any reasonable creature. But He can become such to the
 damned in two ways: first, as the Author of their punishments, by
 which He is bound to afflict them; second, because they are obstinate
 in evil, while He is the infinite Good, they would hate God with their
 whole heart, even though He punished them but little.
 
 Do the Damned Desire to Be Destroyed
 
 We ask, finally, whether the damned would prefer to be annihilated
 and deprived of existence, than to submit to the punishments which
 they endure. St. Thomas, considering the question in itself, answers
 in the negative for, as he says, a state of non-being is never
 desirable, for it implies a deprivation of all good. But if this
 annihilation be considered as an end of all punishment, St. Thomas
 says that, from this point of view, the state of non-existence
 presents itself as a good. It is in this sense that Jesus Christ
 spoke this sentence of Judas: "It were better for him, if that man
 had not been born." (Mt. 26:24). St. John seems to say the same thing
 when speaking of the damned in the Apocalypse: "In those days men
 shall seek death and shall not find it: and they shall desire to die,
 and death shall fly from them." (Rev. 9:6). This will of the damned,
 however, is uncertain, for they wish to continue to exist, that they
 might always hate God.
 
 This Punishment Is Not Unjust
 
 Nor can the eternity of the punishments of the damned ever be
 qualified as unjust. For anyone who offends God by a mortal sin
 merits an infinite punishment for an offense which is infinite.
 Hence, however severe or long the punishment may be, it can never be
 proportionate to the offense which has been committed. For the
 majesty of God is infinite; hence, whoever sins mortally merits an
 infinite punishment. It therefore appears just that mortal sin be
 punished by an eternal punishment.
 
 to be continued . . . 
Conclusion 
 
WHAT WILL HELL BE LIKE?
St. Alphonsus Liguori
(http://olrl.org/doctrine/hellbelike.shtml)
 
How Punishment Is Measured
 
It is useless to object that it does not seem just to inflict an
eternal punishment for a sin which endures but a moment. For St.
Augustine remarks that punishment is not measured by duration of a
fault, but by its gravity. Even at the tribunals of justice here on
earth, the penalty of death is imposed upon some crimes which are
committed in an instant.
 
The Angelic Doctor adds that it is but just that the punishment
should not cease as long as the fault does not cease. Now, a fault
which remains eternally can be remitted only by the grace of God,
which man cannot acquire after death. As we have seen above, the will
of the damned is obstinate in evil. Hence, he continues to love his
sin at the same time that he submits to its punishment. How, then,
can God deliver him from his chastisement, while he continues to love
his fault? How can God pardon his sin, while the damned is hardened in
his hatred for God, if at the same time the Lord offered him pardon
and friendship, the damned refused both the one and the other?
 
Nor can it be objected, as some heretics do, that it is contrary to
the goodness and mercy of God to behold one of His creatures suffer
eternally from such terrible punishments in Hell. For, as St. Thomas
remarks, God has given superabundant witness of His goodness and
mercy toward men. Beholding all men lost by the sin of Adam and their
own sins, what great goodness did He not manifest in descending from
Heaven to earth to become man, in the endurance of a poor, humble and
afflicted life, in pouring forth the very last drop of His Blood amid
such terrible torments upon an infamous gibbet? What greater proof of
His goodness could He have given to men than to leave to them His own
Body and Blood in the Blessed Sacrament of the Altar, that they might
there find nourishment for their souls, and that, through this means,
they might preserve and increase their spiritual forces until death,
after which, finding themselves more closely united to God, they
might enter into Heaven, there to enjoy eternally the life of the
blessed?
 
The Patience of God
 
Ah! Most certainly, on the day of judgment, the Lord will make known
to the entire world how many mercies, how many lights, how much help
He has dispensed to each man during his life! And the numerous
ingrates, who, despite such favors, have merited such chastisements,
with what patience did He not pursue them, with what love has He not
begged them to repent? If, despite such favors, they still would not
renounce their passions and earthly pleasures, wished to live and die
separated from God, voluntarily abandoning themselves to their eternal
ruin, how can it be said that God has not manifested His mercy and
goodness towards them?
 
In lieu of declaring the punishments of Hell not to be eternal, some
heretics have invented another opinion, maintaining that the
punishments of Hell will be lessened after a time, or momentarily
interrupted. But this opinion is expressly contrary to the Sacred
Scriptures. Isaias, for instance speaking of the reprobate proclaims:
"Their worm will not die, and their fire will not be extinguished."
(Is. 66:24). And in the sentence pronounced against them at the Last
Judgment, Jesus Christ will say to them: "Depart from me, ye cursed,
into everlasting fire."
 
Jesus' Parable of Dives and Lazarus
 
"There was a certain rich man, who was clothed in purple and fine
linen; and feasted sumptuously every day. And there was a certain
beggar, named Lazarus, who lay at his gate, full of sores, desiring
to be filled with the crumbs that fell from the rich man's table, and
no one did give him; moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.
 
"And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the
angels into Abraham's bosom. And the rich man also died: and he was
buried in hell. And lifting up his eyes when he was in torments, he
saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom: And he cried, and
said: Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may
dip the tip of his finger in water, to cool my tongue: for I am
tormented in this flame. And Abraham said to him: Son, remember that
thou didst receive good things in thy lifetime, and likewise Lazarus
evil things, but now he is comforted; and thou art tormented. And
besides all this, between us and you, there is fixed a great chaos:
so that they who would pass from hence to you, cannot, nor from
thence come hither.
 
"And he said: The, father, I beseech thee, that thou wouldst send him
to my father's house, for I have five brethren, that he may testify
unto them, lest they also come into this place of torments. And
Abraham said to him: They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear
them. But he said: No, father Abraham: but if one went to them from
the dead, they will do penance. And he said to him: If they hear not
Moses and the prophets, neither will they believe if one rise again
from the dead." (Lk. 16:19-31)
 
Fatima Children's Vision of Hell
 
(NOTE: In 1917 Our Blessed Mother appeared six times at Fatima,
Portugal to Lucia dos Santos and Jacinta and Francisco Marto, three
small children. During the course of these six world-famous
apparitions-now approved by the Church as worthy of our devotion and
propagation  the Blessed Virgin Mary made several startling
statements and predictions, among them the outbreak of World War II
if people did not change their lives. During the July 13 apparition,
she allowed the children to see a vision of Hell. Following is
Lucia's description of what they saw.)
 
At this point, Lucia was heard to say aloud: "Yes, she wants people
to recite the Rosary. People must recite the Rosary." The Lady's face
then grew very grave and she said: "Sacrifice yourselves for sinners
and say often, especially when you make some sacrifice: 'O my Jesus,
this is for love of You, for the conversion of sinners, and in
reparation for the offences committed against the Immaculate Heart of
Mary. -- At these words, she opened her hands on the three children
once again and the light streaming from them seemed to penetrate the
earth, and the children beheld a vision of Hell. Lucia cried out in
terror, calling upon Our Lady. "We could see a vast sea of fire," she
revealed many years later. "Plunged in the flames were demons and lost
souls, as if they were red-hot coals, transparent and black or
bronze-colored, in human form, which floated about in the
conflagration, borne by the flames which issued from them, with
clouds of smoke, falling on all sides as sparks fall in a great
conflagration without weight or equilibrium, amid shrieks and groans
of sorrow and despair that horrified us and caused us to tremble with
fear. The devils could be distinguished by horrible and loathsome
forms of animals, frightful and unknown, but transparent like black
coals that have turned red-hot." Full of fear, the children raised
their eyes beseechingly to the Lady, who said to them with
unspeakable sadness and tenderness: "You have seen Hell where the
souls of poor sinners go. In order to save them, God wishes to
establish in the world devotion to my Immaculate Heart. If people do
what I ask, many souls will be saved and there will be peace."
 
Lucia later stated that although the vision lasted "but an instant,"
she felt they would have died of fear and terror if Our Lady had not
already promised to take them to Heaven. 
 
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Thanks for part 3 as well. <shiver> sobering food for thought especially during these last few days of Lent
Thank you for posting part 2.
Saint Alphonsus certainly did not mince words or beat around the bush....
and oh good heavens may none of us ever know this first hand-yikes!
Thanks for posting this sobering reminder. I sure don't want to find out about it first hand! :-o
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